# Gankers do not make EVE a better place **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Created:** [October 13, 2022, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392 "2022-10-13T11:57:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 2:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392/161 "2022-12-03T02:07:42Z")
No you didn’t. How many new players that are ganked in a Venture, then leave the game as a result of that? If that question can’t be answered, then how can you know it’s significant? What I posted is the number of Venture kills each month so far this year. That isn’t the basis for claiming Venture ganking is a significant problem. More data is needed, hence the previous question of do you have any - the answer seems to be no. ---
**Author:** ![Ariel\_Kryten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ariel_kryten/32/345184_2.png) [@Ariel\_Kryten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ariel_Kryten)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392/162 "2022-12-03T02:08:02Z")
Long story short, the main reason that most new players quit in the first week is because EVE is simply too difficult for them and requires too much of a time investment. They fire up EVE, skip the tutorial, go straight to begging for help, then quit after they can’t figure it out or when they see that the skills they need for the ships they want to fly are going to take weeks or months to train. EVE isn’t for everyone. It’s a niche game. Always has been, always will be. Even at it’s height, EVE has never had the player base that other titles like WoW have… ---
**Author:** ![Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ciryc_lagrej/32/375359_2.png) [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ciryc_Lagrej)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 2:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392/163 "2022-12-03T02:10:50Z")
oh I see what your saying, sorry miscommunication. Correct no I dont. I posed a hypothetical number. ---
**Author:** ![Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ciryc_lagrej/32/375359_2.png) [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ciryc_Lagrej)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 2:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392/164 "2022-12-03T02:15:10Z")
I tried to verify but I cant atm so you’re right on that, I apologize I thought it was a longer time ago. Perhaps about the venture too, its been too long. however the rest of your post is again a mischaracterization. > ``` > Out of the blue rage-pinged me on the forums to declare me “wrong” > > ``` IIf replying to posts is rage pinging arent you also always rage pinging? > ``` > Double-downed on it. > > ``` Double downed on what? You mischaracterizing people? You Misleading statements? Both of those are still true. > ``` > Triple-downed on it. > > ``` See above answer. > ``` > Say things like the above that reflects that, while you ask everyone else “doesn’t anyone else read?” clearly shows you’re not putting in your half of the reading comprehension. > > ``` I said this because accurately people werent reading what I had already wrote. So congradulations you did what I told you to do, im proud of you, you presented actual evidence. You are still the toxic one here and as per what I said earlier, I reply only in kind. ---
**Author:** ![Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ciryc_lagrej/32/375359_2.png) [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ciryc_Lagrej)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392/165 "2022-12-03T02:17:41Z")
20 years worth of data to gamers not wanting to play eve? This seems like just hate on Gen zs honestly. Eve has always been a hard game to get into and justify paying for? Not just for Genzs. ---
**Author:** ![Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ciryc_lagrej/32/375359_2.png) [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ciryc_Lagrej)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392/166 "2022-12-03T02:20:16Z")
Time investment yes, boy if I had nickle for everytime I pitched eve to my wife and she gave me that answer. But if people are skipping the tutorial it seems like they arent really trying to get into it in the first place? Being Niche doesnt mean you dont try to expand your playerbase, if anything it means you try harder as survival depends on staying ahead of the line of no return. ---
**Author:** ![Ariel\_Kryten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ariel_kryten/32/345184_2.png) [@Ariel\_Kryten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ariel_Kryten)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392/167 "2022-12-03T02:20:49Z")
It’s not just Gen Z, Millennials are just as guilty. They are also not the only factors. As I stated earlier, there are literally thousands of other games out there for them to play now. Games that are much easier than EVE. You want to have walking in stations, and play dress-up with your characters? There are plenty of other games out there that cater to that. You want to farm infinite resources with zero risk? Again, there are plenty of other games out there that cater to that. Go play them… ---
**Author:** ![Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ciryc_lagrej/32/375359_2.png) [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ciryc_Lagrej)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 2:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392/168 "2022-12-03T02:22:56Z")
Making their early life easier isnt making the game into that though. its just giving them more of a chance to acclimate. But this is irrelevant I suppose as I got my timeline on ccp data provided wrong and ganking providing more retention was less in the past than I thought I remembered. ---
**Author:** ![Ariel\_Kryten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ariel_kryten/32/345184_2.png) [@Ariel\_Kryten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ariel_Kryten)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392/169 "2022-12-03T02:34:17Z")
> [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](#): > > Making their early life easier isnt making the game into that though. its just giving them more of a chance to acclimate That’s the thing though. Most of them don’t want to acclimate and refuse to use the myriad of tools given to them right off the bat to help them start out. For example, you can get 50 million ISK and access to L3 missions on a day 1 Alpha. I try to teach new players how to do this and all I get are responses such as, “That’s boring”, “That’s stupid, I’m not gonna do that”. Well, then suffer and beg for help you little ■■■■. You can’t help people that won’t help themselves… ---
**Author:** ![Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ciryc_lagrej/32/375359_2.png) [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ciryc_Lagrej)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 2:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392/170 "2022-12-03T02:36:52Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > It isn’t. Ganking is easy to avoid unless you’re bad at the game or AFK. Not so much in a venture. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > I did a few times for lulz. But it def isn’t a regular thing, mainly because I only own 1 account But it is? maybe not by you or even the same person day after day but it is happening more frequently than you are eluding to. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Its called fun bro. Also if you get ganked in a venture in high sec, you’re terribad at the game. This just isnt true (I dont mean the fun for you part.) and is just a way of dehumanizing your targets really > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > No it isn’t LOL. Bro just admit he dusted you with data, take the loss like a real one and admit it. > > Right now, your ego is the thing driving this bro. Deep down you already know you’re wrong. . Yeah no, it is a significant number. I do take my loses and I do admit to them, see the other posts. But that was not one of them. Please dont project yourself onto me. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Of course you are bro 😃 yeah no again. ---
**Author:** ![Ariel\_Kryten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ariel_kryten/32/345184_2.png) [@Ariel\_Kryten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ariel_Kryten)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392/171 "2022-12-03T02:38:33Z")
> [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](#): > > Not so much in a venture A Venture warps in 3 seconds or less, and all it takes is for you to pay attention. It’s that simple. Orbit the asteroid that you are mining at 10km with an AB or MWD so they can’t just warp in directly on top of you. A little situational awareness goes a long way… ---
**Author:** ![Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ciryc_lagrej/32/375359_2.png) [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ciryc_Lagrej)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 2:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392/172 "2022-12-03T02:41:32Z")
If a ganker with a scout thats not in anyway aggressive or showing red or anything of the like is even a tiny bit close, a catalyst can be warped in faster than reaction time to the catalyst ( as in I mean from the time of the catalyst landing you’re already dead cause they wouldnt have even known danger was near). Ventures are made of paper. ---
**Author:** ![Ariel\_Kryten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ariel_kryten/32/345184_2.png) [@Ariel\_Kryten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ariel_Kryten)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 2:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392/173 "2022-12-03T02:43:19Z")
Again, easily solved by simply paying attention. Set known ganker groups to bad standing, and as soon as one of them pops up in local, immediately warp out. Of course you’re going to get shanked if you are AFK, which I’m fairly confident that most players who lose Ventures are… ---
**Author:** ![Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ciryc_lagrej/32/375359_2.png) [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ciryc_Lagrej)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 2:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392/174 "2022-12-03T02:45:04Z")
Alot of the ganker alts arent known especially to newer players. Awareness only helps so much till you can get a tankier mining ship. Even if they are orbiting they can still get landed on. I got nothing for the AFK bit thats on them and I respect that stance for that. ---
**Author:** ![Ariel\_Kryten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ariel_kryten/32/345184_2.png) [@Ariel\_Kryten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ariel_Kryten)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392/175 "2022-12-03T02:52:13Z")
Perhaps I’m a bit biased. You might even say jaded. I’ve only ever lost 3 ships to gankers. 3 ship losses in 17 years, and each one of those losses was 100% my fault. I didn’t quit, I didn’t whine, I learned… ---
**Author:** ![Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ciryc_lagrej/32/375359_2.png) [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ciryc_Lagrej)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 2:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392/176 "2022-12-03T02:57:40Z")
I personally very much enjoyed getting my orca hot dropped by two nyxes. Clever bastards spun up a new character with no history and put the nyxes in a hard to get to but brilliant spot to get to the system. Low sec is bonkers. ---
**Author:** ![Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ciryc_lagrej/32/375359_2.png) [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ciryc_Lagrej)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 3:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392/177 "2022-12-03T03:03:14Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > How about a 2019 citation? Wait a minute, thats not the video or data! The 2019 one was going over dying in fleets and how that helps. The ganking numbers one is the 2015 one. I knew I remembered it being older. ![Fanfest 2015 ganking.PNG](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/3/6/536c4c92816818428a94adcaa0f76dde9d82f133.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 5:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392/178 "2022-12-03T05:07:46Z")
> [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](#): > > Yeah no, it is a significant number. What is the number? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 5:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392/179 "2022-12-03T05:52:12Z")
> [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](#): > > Not so much in a venture. LOL very easy to avoid. > [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](#): > > But it is? maybe not by you or even the same person day after day but it is happening more frequently than you are eluding to. Not really LOL. > [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](#): > > This just isnt true (I dont mean the fun for you part.) and is just a way of dehumanizing your targets really My guy. It’s a vidya game. And it is true. Venture got +2 core str and if you mining away from the drop in., you’ll be fine. Assuming you’re at keyboard 😃 > [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](#): > > Yeah no, it is a significant number. I do take my loses and I do admit to them, see the other posts. But that was not one of them. Please dont project yourself onto me. No you don’t bro 😃 > [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](#): > > If a ganker with a scout thats not in anyway aggressive or showing red or anything of the like is even a tiny bit close, a catalyst can be warped in faster than reaction time to the catalyst ( as in I mean from the time of the catalyst landing you’re already dead cause they wouldnt have even known danger was near). Ventures are made of paper. Ain’t no one wasting a whole “scout” on a venture ROFL. Wut. D-scan bro and mining away from the drop in. It ain’t hard. Do you even play EVE or > [@Ariel\_Kryten](#): > > Again, easily solved by simply paying attention. Set known ganker groups to bad standing, and as soon as one of them pops up in local, immediately warp out. Of course you’re going to get shanked if you are AFK, which I’m fairly confident that most players who lose Ventures are… This. > [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](#): > > Alot of the ganker alts arent known especially to newer players. Awareness only helps so much till you can get a tankier mining ship. Even if they are orbiting they can still get landed on. I got nothing for the AFK bit thats on them and I respect that stance for that. Huh. I wonder if there is a website somewhere that tracks kills and losses and such. And maybe I could find it and somehow use that info to inform myself. And if there was some kind of thing to find it? Like a search engine? Only imagine if this was possible. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392/180 "2022-12-03T06:03:40Z")
> [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](#): > > One most notable change being the introduction of the venture, one of the most easily gankable ships in the game. This line makes no sense to me. Do you know what the chances of you catching me when I’m in a venture are? In hi and low sec it’s functionally 0. In null or a WH maybe you can get lucky and grab me with a bubble. Anywhere else there is no way. That ship is so slippery it’s ridiculous. Maybe people who are so concerned about new players could spend more of their time actually explaining game mechanics to those players so they can see how powerful they can actually be rather than just constantly wringing their hands on the forums. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392.md?page=10)