# Gankers failing every day (CODE this time) **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [June 4, 2022, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692 "2022-06-04T21:25:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692/141 "2022-06-07T17:30:20Z")
Agreed. What I’ve meant is even if it goes wrong at least one can have fun watching the explosions… until getting podded. 🙂 So the journey is what matters not the end result and not to get angry at losses and whatnot, just embrace even the glorious fireball if that is how it goes as it is a one of a kind experience for sure so might as well have fun witnessing it. 🤩 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692/142 "2022-06-07T17:44:28Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > A lot of asset safety systems are camped I think its a system called Podion…0.1 security status. Naturally, I’ll be sending ‘expendable scout’ there to have a look first. In any case, the stuff in safety is things like my 800DPS Gnosis…which could do with a little combat ( I have 9 of them so losing one is no big deal ). Will make a change from zapping pods 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692/143 "2022-06-07T18:40:32Z")
I wonder how many people get podded in Podion? ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692/144 "2022-06-07T18:47:51Z")
Yes, please do come to Podion. Please feel free to come to Derelik to move supers. ---
**Author:** ![Worst\_EVE\_Player](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/worst_eve_player/32/323631_2.png) [@Worst\_EVE\_Player](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Worst_EVE_Player)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692/145 "2022-06-07T19:29:38Z")
Seems like even the Worst EVE Player can be a good ganker. Speaks volumes about the decrepitness of miners: ![20 Gank Kills - one day - 2022.06.07](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/5/e/35e1bbb4c63e52219789a5982994ae07722937d2.png) ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692/146 "2022-06-07T19:56:51Z")
I have already moved asset safety out of Faspera in Derelik without losing anything, though your alliance mates did try. The good thing about Faspera is that it has two exit systems. I actually count that as one of my achievements in game, as it was 30 round trips in an Epithal. I estimated that I would lose 30% of my 25 Epithals I set up for this but ended up doing it without losing a single ship. I kept that Epithal and it is called Faspera Gold Star. It was a fun exercise all in all. But I would say the number of people who did no prep was amazing. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692/147 "2022-06-07T21:06:23Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Yes, please do come to Podion. Just looking at Zkillboard it doesn’t look all that active. Or have you scared everyone away ? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692/148 "2022-06-07T21:45:06Z")
Funny catch Pilot name being “Worst EVE Player” /Oh wait that is you o/ ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692/149 "2022-06-07T21:58:45Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > by two people who don’t even play the game If I didn’t play I would not post , admittedly my eve time has been tight of late but the forums keep me going why I can’t log in. Btw where did you go anywhere nice or just some time off ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692/150 "2022-06-07T22:13:15Z")
I had always been on the fence between ganking, non ganking or even indirect ganking such as market influencing with buying out every Catalyst on the HighSec Regional Market to a certain price point. Have always been open with my intentions on both sides even offering future path possibilities as I can be a ganker and non ganker which brings the reason why I wanted to reply to your comment here is that the hate - hate relationship between the two groups should be seen as wholesome and good for the health of highsec interaction known (pvp) ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 11:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692/151 "2022-06-07T23:45:47Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > but the problem is most of the time the people who get ganked are the newer guys. I’ve ganked people who are 2+ years old who claim to be “newbies”. I’m quite dubious of such claims. At what age do we draw the line that a player is no longer a “newbie”? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I operate in nullsec in the main at the moment, a place where anyone can attack me, that is where the real survival is and I have operated in nullsec more often than not. More ISK is killed in 1 region of HiSec than all of NullSec on a daily basis. > [@Githany\_Red](#): > > unlike some who war Dec industrialist and non-combatants and call that PvP I mean, it _is_ **Player** _versus_ **Player** , even if one party runs away. > [@Githany\_Red](#): > > if you want a put a scale on things , camping a area to catch war targets in their mining and hauler ships is about as low as you get , concord whore is way above that Unlike _your_ targets… Destiny’s have a chance of escaping. And she has to do more than activate an ECM module from 40km away. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Factually incorrect, as many non-PvP corporations and alliances invest in structures and then find themselves under war decs as per the system basing wars on structures. Maybe people shouldn’t anchor structures they can’t defend, or afford to lose. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You are literally the biggest coward I’ve ever met in this game (or any game), and I’ve sat in a mining corporation where everyone could hear the CEO physically sobbing to his wife over Ventrilo when the war declaration mail hit his inbox. Oh ■■■■, I wonder if that’s one I did? 2013-2014ish? > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > I merely wanted to add color to Destiny’s statement about weird different groups being allies to different parties in messy wars with no clear boundaries. Drac doesn’t strike me as the type who’s made a lot of long-lasting friendships in EVE. Once you’ve been playing for a few years and have friends and contacts in various non-aligned groups, things can get _very_ messy, _very_ quickly. Part of the reason I love the game. > [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > I had always been on the fence between ganking, non ganking or even indirect ganking such as market influencing with buying out every Catalyst on the HighSec Regional Market to a certain price point. Jokes on you, most of us build our own. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/4/2/d427f03c23b06ab18c7625445c4c74b50e39c08d.png) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/0/8/9083302a1815a25fe6884275393c421c4302f0a6.png) ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 1:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692/152 "2022-06-08T01:59:44Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > Jokes on you, most of us build our own. Nuh Uh… we fly our own! and… **\o/ We want to speak to your Princess!** [2022.06.08 01:41:21] EVE System \> Channel changed to Local : Uedama [2022.06.08 01:42:06] Iceacid Frostpacker \> Zombiepilot \o/ We want to speak to your Princess! ![Frostpacker-Security](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/8/d/58dd9ff5dc0f0bb7e9c3555018a393c1c5f7874a.jpeg) /o\ ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692/153 "2022-06-08T06:03:52Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > More ISK is killed in 1 region of HiSec than all of NullSec on a daily basis. And that surprises you? When you kill haulers and freighters carrying stuff to and from market I would expect high levels of ISK, that you don’t seems odd? > [@Xuixien](#): > > Maybe people shouldn’t anchor structures they can’t defend, or afford to lose. Well medium structures are now deemed to be throw away structures now by CCP, so it is by game design… > [@Xuixien](#): > > Drac doesn’t strike me as the type who’s made a lot of long-lasting friendships in EVE. Once you’ve been playing for a few years and have friends and contacts in various non-aligned groups, things can get _very_ messy, _very_ quickly. Part of the reason I love the game. ROFL, why do you ganker types come up with such comments. If you want to think that then go ahead, I will add that to the list of stupid nonsense that you chaps keep throwing at me. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 6:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692/154 "2022-06-08T06:34:43Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > The guy you detailed is pretty typical of people that don’t think, it is one of the reasons gankers make so much ISK and they often take it from players that are new and vulnerable other than anyone else. That’s an interesting statement (and I agree, gankers only get to take ISK from others, because people don’t think), more so for the second part: _they often take it from players that are new and vulnerable other than anyone else_ Out of interest, I went and looked at whether that’s the case for Safety., as a group representative of gankers currently. Looking at their last 1260 ship kills (not including capsules, themselves or other gankers): ![Screenshot 2022-06-08 163853](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/3/e/03e2bef1d6456f9bf8c5a97ed173659c849b34d0.png) Just from the data (and the ISK values are based on zkillboard prices): - 30% of their kills are characters up to a year old - 90% of the value of their kills are characters older than a year - 35% of the value of kills comes from characters more than 10 years in the game Characters older than 10 years generate 3 times the value of losses for Safety. than characters in their first year. It doesn’t looks like the second part of that statement stands up to the data (at least for Safety.) and far more often, it’s anyone else other than new players that generate the bulk of possible ISK for Safety. from ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692/155 "2022-06-08T10:47:24Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > And that surprises you? When you kill haulers and freighters carrying stuff to and from market I would expect high levels of ISK, that you don’t seems odd? Thanks for walking into the bait. Caldari space has _more ships killed_ than all of NullSec day to day as well: > **[DOTLAN EveMaps: Recent Statistics](https://evemaps.dotlan.net/stats)** > > DOTLAN EveMaps is the leading online/interactive map/alliance/corporation resource database for Eve Online 😉 > [@Dracvlad](#): > > If you want to think that then go ahead Ok. @Scipio_Artelius - Can you do Solitude Pest Control and Tear Extraction next? I’m curious if that trend holds true for a corp that doesn’t gank around Jita. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692/156 "2022-06-08T12:45:10Z")
I did use the word often and vulnerable in my sentence. In my opinion up to two years are new players based on capability and training. 45.79% of Safety kills are on what I would define as new and more vulnerable players. But this is not an argument, more of a clarification. Good information though. > [@Xuixien](#): > > Thanks for walking into the bait. It was not bait, I am still surprised that you are surprised. > [@Xuixien](#): > > Caldari space has _more ships killed_ than all of NullSec day to day as well: No big wars atm. But it’s fine. > [@Xuixien](#): > > Ok. You just don’t know enough about me to know that. As I said if you want to think that then go right ahead. o7 ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692/157 "2022-06-08T14:29:13Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > No big wars atm. Thanks for conceding that, day to day, nullsec is safer on average. 🤗 > [@Dracvlad](#): > > You just don’t know enough about me to know that. I know all I need to. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692/158 "2022-06-08T14:40:35Z")
It seems to have made you happy, so be happy. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692/159 "2022-06-08T14:49:50Z")
🤗😁😁🤗😁😁🤗 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2022, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692/160 "2022-06-08T15:40:19Z")
> [@Xuixien](#): > > More ISK is killed in 1 region of HiSec than all of NullSec on a daily basis. I recall before my first trip to nullsec I had visions of utter carnage and a sort of lawless Wild West with Harmonica Man from Once Upon A Time In The West playing menacingly in the background. Instead the reality was lots of mostly empty systems…I warped through 30 of them and never bumped into any of these shady characters… [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/6/a/16a7abfaa588938b91e8f2f771514841e05d541b.jpeg "Charles Bronson; You Brought Two Too Many") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XkHsinz7oU) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-failing-every-day-code-this-time/365692.md?page=9)