# Ganking and PVP: Numbers in perspective **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 30, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852 "2022-07-30T15:48:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/272 "2022-12-11T13:35:58Z")
And they do play those other games. That’s why the playerbase here is so weak. I’m honestly fed up with you people complaining about CCPs development decisions then whining on that anyone who supports the changes should go play something else. How about you go play something else? This is not your game, you don’t get to decide who gets to enjoy it. > [@Ariel\_Kryten](#): > > Trying to cater to the current generation of “please don’t hurt me” gamers will only serve to dumb down EVE to the point that it is no longer EVE… That’s your opinion, it’s not mine. Trying to cater to the current generation is an absolute necessity for EVE to evolve and keep operating. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/273 "2022-12-11T13:38:29Z")
Oh no ! Say it ain’t so ! After the last round of gank nerfing the debate is still on-going?! Why, you may ask. Well, because the demanding is done by some hardcore anti-pvp people who like _some_ aspects of a pvp-game. And as foretold, by many others and myself on these forums, there is no set of measures that CCP could ever take to satisfy that tiny group of displaced players bar creating a complete safe-zone. Whichever generation they may or may not belong to is irrelevant. In fact I consider these very loud anti-pvp’ers an asset to these forums. They serve a purpose. They advertize consistently the true nature of EvE Online: Nowhere is Safe, Salt will be harvested, EvE is Tough. Thank you, good anti-pvp people, for crying out loud. Please continue to draw attention to _the_ core property of EvE: it’s a full-on pvp game. It helps preventing other people from expecting anything else but the _harsh_ reality in New Eden. This is a hunter-gatherer’s game. We mine our rocks and then go out and kill some. We are a happy bunch. In fact, there’s an interesting article on the relative happiness of hunter-gatherer societies vs. modern societies. > **[Hunter-gatherer happiness](https://www.cold-takes.com/hunter-gatherer-happiness/)** > > Asking whether life was better in hunter-gatherer times, I wrote: “I haven't found anything that looks like systematic data on pre-agriculture mental health or subjective wellbeing.” Thanks to commenter Tsunayoshi for linking to some! Subjective... Be Happy ! Go out and shoot rocks and ships ! ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/274 "2022-12-11T13:40:50Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > After the last round of gank nerfing the debate is still on-going?! Why, you may ask. Because the changes were weak and badly thought out and so they didn’t change anything. > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Please continue to draw attention to _the_ core property of EvE: it’s a full-on pvp game. That’s your opinions, yes. It’s not the truth about this multifaceted sandbox. ---
**Author:** ![Ariel\_Kryten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ariel_kryten/32/345184_2.png) [@Ariel\_Kryten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ariel_Kryten)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/275 "2022-12-11T13:41:41Z")
It’s a never-ending whine and nerf fest with these people. They whine about PVP, whine about skills taking too long to train, whine about being so far behind veteran players, whine about Alphas not having enough, etc… ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/276 "2022-12-11T13:42:37Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > That’s your opinions, yes. It’s not the truth about this multifaceted sandbox. My opinion is older than yours. I inherited it from the fine print on the cd-box the game came in, and from the good people who started playing this game back in 2003. I developed some more of it by playing and experiencing the game. So get guud, and take the game setting for what it is: a dystopian, darwinian reality. If you cry for something else, tell yourself: Game Over. ---
**Author:** ![Ariel\_Kryten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ariel_kryten/32/345184_2.png) [@Ariel\_Kryten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ariel_Kryten)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/277 "2022-12-11T13:43:55Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > That’s your opinions, yes. It’s not the truth about this multifaceted sandbox. EVE is a full-on, 24/7 PVP game. You can get your ship obliterated the instant you undock absolutely anywhere in the game, for any or no reason at all… ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/278 "2022-12-11T13:47:51Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > In fact I consider these very loud anti-pvp’ers an asset to these forums. They serve a purpose. They advertize consistently the true nature of EvE Online: Nowhere is Safe, Salt will be harvested, EvE is Tough. You’re like a decade too late with that sentiment. They’ve _won._ It wasn’t a close victory either, but a complete rout, and any further changes and concessions are tantamount to the rape of Carthage after the siege was over. You guys are delusional to think that there’s any piracy left in the game that’s not effectively a statistical outlier, and that there’s still “24/7” open-world PvP in this game that’s not your cute little “null-sec roams.” ---
**Author:** ![Ancantes\_Auge\_Dunier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ancantes_auge_dunier/32/323591_2.png) [@Ancantes\_Auge\_Dunier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ancantes_Auge_Dunier)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/279 "2022-12-11T13:47:59Z")
Thank you newbros are getting killed left and right. There is no reason for newbro diing in venture literary NONE. So called argument we do it for money yea maybe 5% of you rest are just a holes who get off killing newbros its like max level constantly killing lvl 1 in any other mmo. ITs discusting and all who do this shud be banned. Im have no oposition to gankers who kill overprized stuff for loot. But this is DISCUSTING and PREVELENT NEWBRO HARRASEMENT!!! Nothing more. THANK YOU TO SHOW US GANKERS REAL COLORS!! ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/280 "2022-12-11T13:48:06Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > My opinion is older than yours. So is the opinion that the sun orbits the Earth. Time to move on grandpa. > [@Ariel\_Kryten](#): > > EVE is a full-on, 24/7 PVP game. You can get your ship obliterated the instant you undock absolutely anywhere in the game, for any or no reason at all… That’s not even true. It’s just you projecting what you like about the game. CCP clearly have a different view which is why there’s already instanced PvE. I believe that CCP should retain the open world nature by making it possible to have PvE without combat PvE without needing to instance it. Clearly we’ll never agree though so there’s very little point in us both continuing to tell each other our opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Ariel\_Kryten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ariel_kryten/32/345184_2.png) [@Ariel\_Kryten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ariel_Kryten)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/281 "2022-12-11T13:49:06Z")
Apparently there’s more than enough piracy and PVP left, as they are still complaining about it on a daily basis… ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/282 "2022-12-11T13:49:53Z")
They’ll complain as long as the people that disagree with them are still active on the forums, because you’re their content. ---
**Author:** ![Ariel\_Kryten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ariel_kryten/32/345184_2.png) [@Ariel\_Kryten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ariel_Kryten)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/283 "2022-12-11T13:50:22Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > there’s already instanced PvE The only instanced PVE is the Abyss, and you can be nuked the instant you exit from the filament. Like I said, you can be openly attacked at any time, absolutely anywhere in the game… ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/284 "2022-12-11T13:54:20Z")
I like how you mention a place you can’t be attacked then still claim you can be attacked anywhere. Wild. ---
**Author:** ![Ariel\_Kryten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ariel_kryten/32/345184_2.png) [@Ariel\_Kryten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ariel_Kryten)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/285 "2022-12-11T13:55:01Z")
Other than inside the Abyss or docked up in a station, name a single place where you absolutely cannot be attacked by another player. Don’t worry, I’ll wait… ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/286 "2022-12-11T13:55:17Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > So is the opinion that the sun orbits the Earth. Time to move on grandpa. The “opinion” that the sun orbits the Earth was a wrong one. It wasn’t even an opinion, it was a _dogma_. Perhaps you can look up the word and learn something. You wanting to make this a generational issue shows your true colors, you can’t handle anything that isn’t spoonfeeding and handholding, something EvE is notoriously lacking btw by deliberate choice. You tried eve in 2014, then stopped for 5 years and came back to be scooped up by an organization that built itself on spamming recruiting mails on everything that logged in ? You’re in a bad spot to have any sort of founded opinion. But don’t let that prevent you from creating forum content. It’s entertaining. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/287 "2022-12-11T13:58:57Z")
Why do I need to name a place? You’ve just named them. That’s like you saying “Coins can only ever land on a face and be tails” and I say “nope” and you say “OK, other than heads name me what face a coin can land on, I’ll wait”. > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > The “opinion” that the sun orbits the Earth was a wrong one. right, just like how your opinion is wrong. > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > You wanting to make this a generational issue shows your true colors, you can’t handle anything that isn’t spoonfeeding and handholding Your personal attacks won’t change the reality that EVE needs to cater to modern markets. > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > You tried eve in 2014, then stopped for 5 years What are you basing this on? Clearly not on anything resembling reality. ---
**Author:** ![Ariel\_Kryten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ariel_kryten/32/345184_2.png) [@Ariel\_Kryten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ariel_Kryten)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/288 "2022-12-11T14:00:39Z")
Ah, you’re part of the “gotta have it now for zero effort” generation. That explains it… ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/289 "2022-12-11T14:02:37Z")
Do you feel that insulting me so that you don’t have to consider my opinion will make CCP listen to your views? I’m not convinced. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/290 "2022-12-11T14:05:14Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Your Sand-Box isk/hr PvE quota is severely lacking and this problem must be addressed. It probably is. I haven’t bought PLEX for several months and I never did Omega a second account as I’d planned. Hark…do I hear the canary in the mine ? ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2022, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/291 "2022-12-11T14:10:44Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > Your personal attacks won’t change the reality that EVE needs to cater to modern markets. You know what “tit for tat” means ? In addition to virtual ammo and balls of fire in a game about blowing stuff up you can’t handle words on a forum ? You want to dish it out but can’t handle the counterpunch ? 🤔 You shouldn’t have started it then. > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > right, just like how your opinion is wrong. It’s not an opinion. It’s a conclusion reached by 1) reading CCP’s statements (quite important, try it), 2) playing the game on all parts of the map… One might say the conclusion was reached by doing research and experimenting 🤣 > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > What are you basing this on? Clearly not on anything resembling reality. There’s this website … or multiple ones … There’s even one that shows how you landed yourself on your last known kills (2019) by using a Griffin with ECM, while concord did the dirty work. All publicly available data. Yes yes, all that is kept track of in Eve Online. Oh, I almost forgot to reply to this genuine gem embedded in your post > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > the reality that EVE needs to cater to modern markets. The modern market has a group of die-hard pvp gamers who also happen to love space drama on multiple levels. It’s to them this game caters. It is perfect for their skill set as gamers and their tenacity. If you want a pve version without any significance you could try the test server. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852.md?page=12)