# Ganking and PVP: Numbers in perspective **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 30, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852 "2022-07-30T15:48:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/622 "2022-12-16T15:56:47Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > That is not true. Many forum posters’ characters, like mine, doesn’t exists in game because they were biomassed Then that’s easy to check on EVEWho. But even if your character doesn’t exist in-game doesn’t mean _you_ don’t exist and doesn’t mean that your arguments should be rejected. ---
**Author:** ![Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mindahouf_davaham/32/379996_2.png) [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mindahouf_Davaham)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/623 "2022-12-16T15:57:02Z")
I’m goign to make a post to anoy ever one ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/624 "2022-12-16T16:06:25Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > The argument is that ganking is easy, and needs a nerf. > > The basis for this argument is the player’s personal experience, as a ganker. > > The individual has no killboard, and there is no evidence they ever undock. > > This person is not being honest. I’d advise you not to smoke beside that strawman you’re building. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > So you concede that our arguments have merit? Well, for me at least, most of the better PvP/gank-boosters arguments have _some_ merit, in some contexts. But there is also a lot of disinformation/derailment/ad-hominem attacks on both sides, in lieu of rational debate. Then there’s the “Bladewise” types that just spout off repetitious, easily-disproven blather because they want cheap easy ganks but can’t be bothered to put any thought into their post. Just knee-jerk opinion-spewing as if it was fact. I judge arguments based on the validity of the argument and the information presented. I don’t need to fall back on trying to discredit the poster to invalidate their post. Although if someone is making a claim as part of their argument that requires evidence to back it (like someone saying “I win at PvP all the time”) I’ll generally ask them to provide evidence - regardless of whether they’re carebear or ganker. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/625 "2022-12-16T16:43:04Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > it would be better if ganking were aimed less at new players and more at lazy blingy veterans. Some actual real stats… 350 Ventures have been destroyed today. Of that…just 8 were in highsec. Of those 8…5 were destroyed by NPCs. _Once again_…more Ventures are destroyed in highsec by NPCs than by gankers. A pretty consistent figure anyone can see for themselves…around 60% of all Ventures lost in highsec are lost to NPCs. _That means less than 1% of all Ventures lost today were ganked. A mere three !_ Why do you anti-gank crowd consistently have a problem with real, verifiable, data ? ---
**Author:** ![Clone\_Nr007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clone_nr007/32/350156_2.png) [@Clone\_Nr007](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clone_Nr007)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/626 "2022-12-16T16:50:04Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Identity matters That’s why CCP allows us to have as many alts as wished, right? Wrong. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > some people are ignorant I can see that 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/627 "2022-12-16T16:52:48Z")
Thank you very much for providing that data, it’s eye-opening. After reviewing it I have concluded that it would be better if ganking were aimed less at new players and more at lazy blingy veterans. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/628 "2022-12-16T16:53:19Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > But there is also a lot of disinformation/derailment/ad-hominem attacks on both sides, in lieu of rational debate. To be honest, the ’ I’m above that rabble level of arguing’ people are often the worst at it. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/629 "2022-12-16T16:57:26Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > After reviewing it I have concluded that it would be better if ganking were aimed less at new players and more at lazy blingy veterans. Lol…after checking the start dates…of those mere three ganks…_only one_ would legitimately count as a new player. So, 350 Ventures destroyed today. ONE was a new player in highsec. I rest my case. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/630 "2022-12-16T17:03:59Z")
> [@Keara\_the\_Reaver](#): > > But this isn’t 4chan, it’s EVE forum with full moderation. 😂 🤣 😂 ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/631 "2022-12-16T17:05:30Z")
> [@Keara\_the\_Reaver](#): > > I don’t see what honesty has to do with the avatar/toon/character I choose to post with on the forum. The words would be the same as any other character I’d have or don’t have. > The arguments stay the same and more importantly the counterarguments. even if we are “toons” we have a persona we make friends , tend to like the posts of some , dislike others with time we begin to know what they do, music they like , jokes they make were are they from for example the princess likes to mine ice that bald buffed shirtless guy is a inveterate ganker meanwhile a random alt is a glorified soulless chatbot ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/632 "2022-12-16T17:13:38Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > even if we are “toons” we have a persona > we make friends , tend to like the posts of some , dislike others > with time we begin to know what they do, music they like , jokes they make > were are they from > > for example > the princess likes to mine ice > that bald buffed shirtless guy is a inveterate ganker I think the point is more that forums are way more interesting when people discuss their own experience rather than blather on from behind a mask about everyone else’s. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/633 "2022-12-16T17:21:37Z")
So I need to go out and gank two miners as part of a fleet of gankers to have a say? 70 kills as an AG don’t count? We are talking from experience. You don’t like that we don’t arrive at the same conclusions you do so you are making up excuses to attack us rather than the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/634 "2022-12-16T17:34:31Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > We are talking from experience _What_ experience ? You don’t have a kill or loss in 3 years, and only 3 days of killboard activity since 2016 ! That makes you an expert on ganking and PvP ? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/635 "2022-12-16T17:43:32Z")
Let’s not forget that battles can be won or lost without even logging into New Eden. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/636 "2022-12-16T17:46:33Z")
I’ve never claimed to be an expert, just that I’m not sure you’re in a position to judge given that your ganker alt has ganked a total of 2 ships and your main has been on 4 ship kills. I think that the attacks on killboards you seem to favour are just your way of showing that you aren’t confident in any of your arguments on the topic, and so discrediting everyone with a different view is your tactic. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/637 "2022-12-16T18:08:32Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > I’ve never claimed to be an expert, just that I’m not sure you’re in a position to judge given that your ganker alt has ganked a total of 2 ships and your main has been on 4 ship kills. Who said anything about ‘judging’. My killboard at least shows I am _active_…most recent record just a week ago, and about to get another one today. You keep evading the fact that you have _nothing_ in 3 years…and others of the anti-gankers have nothing in 4 or even 5 years. This is farcical on a thread about PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keginu_nelir_shimaya/32/355594_2.png) [@Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keginu_Nelir_Shimaya)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/638 "2022-12-16T18:13:04Z")
Just because a mentally ill pirate princess can’t see someone’s homicide board doesn’t mean there isn’t one. ---
**Author:** ![Keara\_the\_Reaver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keara_the_reaver/32/344828_2.png) [@Keara\_the\_Reaver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keara_the_Reaver)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/639 "2022-12-16T18:13:47Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > meanwhile a random alt is a glorified soulless chatbot As far as I know this forum doesn’t have chatbots and Alt or not it’s still anperson who logged in and created the alt then is logging in the forum and posting. If you want to think it’s a bot it makes no difference on the fact it’s a person behind the character, again if this forum doesn’t have chatbots. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/640 "2022-12-16T18:20:19Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > So, 350 Ventures destroyed today. ONE was a new player in highsec. Anything you post on Venture ganks is irrelevant, since there are no Ventures on your killboard. In fact your killboard would suggest you’ve never even _seen_ a Venture. Honestly, just stop trying to talk about things that aren’t in your personal experience, as evidenced solely by zKillboard, the one true source. ---
**Author:** ![Keara\_the\_Reaver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keara_the_reaver/32/344828_2.png) [@Keara\_the\_Reaver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keara_the_Reaver)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852/641 "2022-12-16T18:25:05Z")
> [@Keginu\_Nelir\_Shimaya](#): > > mentally ill pirate princess I’m not mentally ill [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852.md?page=25) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-pvp-numbers-in-perspective/371852.md?page=27)