# Ganking and quitting **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 23, 2021, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812 "2021-03-23T03:25:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Adunh\_Slavy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adunh_slavy/32/265310_2.png) [@Adunh\_Slavy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adunh_Slavy)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/61 "2021-03-23T11:09:55Z")
Ganking is part of Eve - No where is safe. It’s part of what makes Eve interesting and it should remain, though agreeably it is far too easy in high-sec. The consequences upon the ganker are less than they should be. There are two simple solutions - increase the security status cost for high-sec aggression dramatically or make all of Eve null-sec. I’d be fine with either. This current implementation of the “middle-way” is the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Xanthellus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xanthellus/32/253691_2.png) [@Xanthellus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xanthellus)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/62 "2021-03-23T11:10:25Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Go do PvP now with cheap ships, lose the lot of them to get to know the different aspects of PvP before you have the skills to fly something expensive. I’m training up an alpha alt to start doing FW to gain some basic experience. Only once I have some sort of an idea on how it works will I start PVPing on Xanth. There’s a difference between “waiting for skills” because you have starter SP and really need to get more fitting or cap skills to actually fly your ship and “waiting for skills” because you “only” have 40 mil SP and you’re not maxed out yet. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/63 "2021-03-23T11:12:40Z")
> [@Xanthellus](#): > > There’s a difference between “waiting for skills” because you have starter SP and really need to get more fitting or cap skills to actually fly your ship and “waiting for skills” because you “only” have 40 mil SP and you’re not maxed out yet. I agree. The first option is OK. But if you wait until you can fly T2 with lvl5 skills you will never be ready for PvP. If by the time you may have those skills (and haven’t quit the game yet), you still cannot fly your ship and lose a lot more ISK when you try to pvp. ---
**Author:** ![Nina\_Anija](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nina_anija/32/259963_2.png) [@Nina\_Anija](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nina_Anija)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/64 "2021-03-23T11:14:41Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Go do PvP now with cheap ships, lose the lot of them to get to know the different aspects of PvP before you have the skills to fly something expensive First, there are no “cheap” ships unless you’re talking about starter ships. Every other ship costs something either in time or money and “cheap” is subjective. 2mil could be cheap to you but it isn’t to me. Second, I won’t learn _anything_ by watching my screen, powerless, while I’m webbed into place and my ship is hit like a piñata. Third, I’d rather lose a well-fitted t2 or t3 ship when hunting down a target and giving a good fight. Sitting in a POS ship that cost me 50mil and waiting to be hamstrung and having to like it… Nope, ain’t never gonna happen. ---
**Author:** ![Nina\_Anija](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nina_anija/32/259963_2.png) [@Nina\_Anija](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nina_Anija)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/65 "2021-03-23T11:23:24Z")
> [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > > [@Nina\_Anija](#): > > > > not before. > > That chance comes much earlier than most people think It’ll come when It’ll come and not a minute before. > [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > Especially, **if** you band together with other players With If’s I can put Paris in a bottle… So far, no one, not _one_ person in-game has talked to me, no pm, no message nothing and if I make the first step then I’d automatically be suspicious. But that doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. Bottom line is: I’m not undocking until I have all the skills for t3 ships and those juicy modules unlocked ( the ones that actually DO something ) > [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > Of course, if you show hints of anti-social behavior and don’t talk nor create bonds with other players, then you should seek help so these sociopathic tendencies can be resolved The true sociopaths are people who force people like me to engage with a corrupt, violent and amoral society. ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/66 "2021-03-23T11:45:03Z")
Having looked at the killmail, this is just a bunch of people playing the antagonists to your protagonist story. They are known to be heavy on the RP side and you have voiced several times about your “virtue”. This is literally what the game is all about. Player stories. I mean, we even have [a glorified paper weight](https://www.empiresofeve.com/) all about that. So how are you going to react to this act of violence from these fanatic defenders of the code? Will you stand up to the princess and seek revenge? ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/67 "2021-03-23T11:56:42Z")
In this discussions, I always ask, do you play chess? A famous war simulation where it’s all about beating the other, with strategy and violence. If you undock in EvE you are basically on a giant chess board. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/68 "2021-03-23T12:10:24Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > If you undock in EvE you are basically on a giant chess board. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/4/0/74035d034bcc969e83d62f2dc25d2b81e9e11ee7.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/69 "2021-03-23T12:14:35Z")
> [@Nina\_Anija](#): > > Bottom line is: I’m not undocking until I have all the skills for t3 ships and those juicy modules unlocked ( the ones that actually DO something ) Those are going to be expensive killmails to teach you pvp basics that you could also learn in a ship worth 2M ISK. > [@Nina\_Anija](#): > > So far, no one, not _one_ person in-game has talked to me, no pm, no message nothing and if I make the first step then I’d automatically be suspicious. Have you tried taking the first step yourself? I wanted to learn how fleet PvP worked and after I got the basics in EVE I applied to one of the big newbie-friendly null corps. In addition to always having people around to fleet up with, I’ve learned a lot there about pvp. Not much about solo pvp though, but I’m sure there are corps for that too. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/70 "2021-03-23T12:20:19Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > And the litany “But its a game!” sounds very much like the excuse “But it was war!” These two couldn’t be further apart. > [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Belts are respawned every 24 hours. Miners are harmless. So the excuse is ridiculous. Why make it? Belts are respawned. Then so are the minerals. Then so are the ships. So no one loses anything in eve, except time. > [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Some folks got real defensive real fast. A nerve seems to have been struck. Says the guy calling people sociopathic. For playing a game… > [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > That should pretty much be a pop-up message in the tutorial, at the start, and also every time you log in, The career missions don’t hide that it’s a harsh game. It’s people that don’t read the text. > [@Nina\_Anija](#): > > Can anyone explain to me why people who don’t like PvP keep playing PvP games? It offends their fragile sensibilities. It’s not enough that they have their space and way of life, and you have yours. They must get into your space, change your way of life to suit theirs and then eventually have you kicked out. > [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](#): > > So the trolls are out in force as of course they are when any miner dares to question anything. Says the guy calling people trolls for daring to question him. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/71 "2021-03-23T12:21:53Z")
> [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > And I choose to play a sociopathic loner, who kills people for fun. Does that make me a bad person in real life? No, because this is all done within the limits of fiction and the rules given by the game. The protagonist-antagonist dynamic is pretty common in stories, so why should this not be allowed in a game about the stories players make with each other? > > Even if you don’t agree with the above I’ve wrote and somehow think I’m a troll for voicing an opinion that is opposite of yours, then just know that all ganking is done within the rules given by the game. Anything done within these limits is a viable and encouraged activity. The game gives the player freedom to explore many playstyles, which means all playstyles are valid options. Be that a miner or ganker. There is no good or evil, because it’s all part of the game mechanics and how the game works. Is a person evil for choosing terrorist and shooting down law enforcement forces in counter-strike? Are you a sociopath for running around beating hookers to death in GTA? Do you need to seek counsel, if you set your sims on fire and let them die? > > This discussion is no different than all these _“video games is the cause of violence in society”_ kind of narratives which have been proven untrue by research. So can we give it a rest and just let people play the damn game whichever way they choose? I don’t know if you know, but for a considerable portion of society, the answer to all of those questions is a resounding “yes,” so much so that there were (and are) _significant_ political and social movements to “address” this “issue” with people _literally_ marching in the streets _by the thousands_ to try to get games (and also to some extent movies, books, etc.) censored and/or banned. Maybe the situation isn’t quite as bad as it was during the Jack Thompson era, but it still exists. These days it has taken on a slightly different vibe, however, as they’re now attacking media on the basis of being “oppressive” (to women, minorities, etc.) instead of “corrupting to children.” > [@Nina\_Anija](#): > > > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > > > Start doing PvP _right now_. > > 🤣 Right, spend my time and money to be some other player’s content and part of his zKillboard, suuuure. **NOT** > I’ll PvP when I’ll at least have a chance to match the other guy’s dps, tank and intel and not before. > Gotta be nuts to throw away ships at a target that overpowers you by a factor of 10 🙄 You’ll **never** have that chance. Your attitude has ensured that you will never be successful in PvP later on _without_ making a significant effort to reprogram yourself and completely change your attitude. You’re wasting your formative period in the game by building up a terrible attitude, instead of using this opportunity to **incrementally** build a tolerance to risk and loss. What’s going to happen is that in a year or two, when you can fly that nice T3 ship with the elite modules, and you undock it thinking “finally! time to go _kick some ass_!”, you’re going to run into someone like me, and as that first volley is hitting your ship and 80% of your shields are gone in one hit, the smile will disappear, and you’re going to start making incoherent groaning noises and shaking like a heroin addict during a withdrawal. And after the experience is over 37 seconds later, and you’ve gone to the bathroom to take care of your now-upset stomach, you’re going to think about how that didn’t feel great at all, and you’re probably not going to do that again. This will sour your mood for 2-3 days as you keep mentally going over what happened, trying to rationalize it away, and ultimately come to terms with it by remembering the accumulated EVE wealth that you still have left, and how it justifies you still being in the game. But the cringe moment will stay with you forever. ---
**Author:** ![leavwiz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leavwiz/32/235353_2.png) [@leavwiz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/leavwiz)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/72 "2021-03-23T12:30:56Z")
you have to love these “trollable” threads. For the OP, mining in space can get you killed. That is EVE. Ganking, however occurs when anyone finds it fun to see things blow up whether it makes economic sense or not. The devotion to zkill also promotes ganking of anything that flies. I respect tactical killing for profit but have disdain for ganking for zikill totals. my opinion. such as it may be. I do with CCP could find a way to invuln new players against player attacks while they are still running the tutorials. (meaning they are on an active tutorial mission) ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/73 "2021-03-23T12:32:48Z")
> [@leavwiz](#): > > I do with CCP could find a way to invuln new players against player attacks while they are still running the tutorials. > (meaning they are on an active tutorial mission) Already bannable offence. > **[Rookie Griefing](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209712-Rookie-Griefing)** > > Getting started in EVE Online can be somewhat daunting for new players or rookies. Several systems in which new players typically start are deemed 'Rookie System' and in these systems (listed below... ---
**Author:** ![Nina\_Anija](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nina_anija/32/259963_2.png) [@Nina\_Anija](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nina_Anija)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/74 "2021-03-23T12:33:39Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Those are going to be expensive killmails to teach you pvp basics that you could also learn in a ship worth 2M ISK I won’t learn nothing in a piece of sh- ship with modules that don’t do anything. I’m not worried about losing ships, that’s the game, but I won’t be the chump getting ganked in a mining barge or hauler because I would’ve thought all careers in EVE are viable. Quite the contrary. The only play in EVE is to destroy the other guy’s ship before they destroy yours and I won’t be able to even start doing that in weak ships with few skills. That’s tantamount to spending time and money for the other guy’s benefit. I want to play EVE for **my** fun not the other guy’s and that means losing a bunch of expensive to learn to hunt and destroy then at least I’ll have fun doing it. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Have you tried taking the first step yourself? No. I’m asocial and I don’t want to be on Discord and I don’t want to be begging for company and don’t want to be looked upon with suspicion as “the new guy” and I don’t want drama in my games. Maybe not all valid reasons for many but valid enough for me not to take the first step. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/75 "2021-03-23T12:39:19Z")
Nothing wrong with playing solo! > [@Nina\_Anija](#): > > I won’t learn nothing in a piece of sh- ship with modules that don’t do anything. I’m not worried about losing ships, that’s the game, but I won’t be the chump getting ganked in a mining barge or hauler because I would’ve thought all careers in EVE are viable. Quite the contrary. The only play in EVE is to destroy the other guy’s ship before they destroy yours and I won’t be able to even start doing that in weak ships with few skills. You’re not yet aware of all the things you could learn when you try pvp in cheap pvp ships. On the matter of non-pvp ships: all careers are viable, but they aren’t all interesting for everyone. You don’t have to mine if you dislike mining and don’t have to fly haulers if you don’t want to. There are good alternatives to either of those. But, if you want to do well in PvP you really need to get out there eventually and start losing ships until you learn how not to die. ---
**Author:** ![Nina\_Anija](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nina_anija/32/259963_2.png) [@Nina\_Anija](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nina_Anija)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/76 "2021-03-23T12:40:56Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > What’s going to happen is that in a year or two, when you can fly that nice T3 ship with the elite modules, and you undock it thinking “finally! time to go _kick some ass_!”, you’re going to run into someone like me, and as that first volley is hitting your ship and 80% of your shields are gone in one hit, the smile will disappear, and you’re going to start making incoherent groaning noises and shaking like a heroin addict during a withdrawal. 🤣 That sounds pretty bad. Thank you for telling me what will happen _now_ so I don’t waste that two years waiting for something that won’t make a difference. Since that’s the case I don’t see why I should even keep logging in. Time to move on to another game I guess. > [@Basil\_Poledouris](#): > > X4 has Walking in Station! I’m downloading it right now. Thank you all for convincing me that EVE just isn’t the game for me. Farewell o/ ---
**Author:** ![Xanthellus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xanthellus/32/253691_2.png) [@Xanthellus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xanthellus)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/79 "2021-03-23T12:45:02Z")
The experience and exposure to PvP is no different in a 3 mil frigate compared to a 300 mil t2 cruiser. Before you can do well you first have to get basic experience, might as well keep it cheap. It’s just basic logic, I’m going to get experience using an alpha alt where I fully expect to die 98% of the time and I’m fine with that. To me it’s like buying experience and I’ll try to buy that at the lowest cost possible. ---
**Author:** ![leavwiz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leavwiz/32/235353_2.png) [@leavwiz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/leavwiz)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/80 "2021-03-23T12:45:07Z")
once a new player accepts a mission and either inadvertantly leaves the “rookie” system or flies to a market hub. they die. perhaps, instead of an invuln, they get a notice that they are about to leave “training space” might be the answer ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/84 "2021-03-23T12:49:59Z")
By the way, all of this talk about “learning” by “throwing cheap ships around for practice” is a load of rubbish too. This will only help you develop some mechanical skills. True _learning_ entails an immediate exposure to _actual_ risk, and necessitates _actual_ strategic/tactical/critical thinking. You have to have something on the line _right away_, and fight to _win_ instead of fighting for the sake of fighting. ---
**Author:** ![Marta\_Joringer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marta_joringer/32/396879_2.png) [@Marta\_Joringer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marta_Joringer)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/89 "2021-03-23T12:56:46Z")
I’m not sure I believe this, is not most of the above a chat between Alts? On the off-chance someone is being serious, then some of you need to do a little research into PvP in Eve, and some methods of getting into it. Last time I checked, the Isk-Tank and the SP-Tank weren’t working, and I’m not even sure the Tech2+Minimum tank ever worked. You can have a PvP viable character in about 700 000 SP, or with not much more work one with T2 Racial guns on DAY 1 with the referral scheme. (Both Alphas too.) There are a range of corps that will train even new players with new toons into PvP at very little risk/loss to the new player but a Green/Red killboard. 😃 Adrenaline based training works even in a Video Game. I’m not on much at the moment, but please feel free to message me here/in game and I’ll point in the right direction. Frigate solo PvP is still where it’s at! 😛 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812.md?page=4)