# Ganking and quitting **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 23, 2021, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812 "2021-03-23T03:25:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Xanthellus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xanthellus/32/253691_2.png) [@Xanthellus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xanthellus)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/91 "2021-03-23T12:56:58Z")
If you want to become a race car driver but you’ve never driven a car you don’t start with a Ferrari or an F1 car, you start with karting or some shitty old banger. If you want to get weapons training but never fired a gun you don’t start with a 50 cal sniper rifle, you start with some worn out shitty Glock or crappy .22 vermint rifle. If you want to become a pilot you don’t start in an A380 or a fighter jet, you start with a 20 year old shitty Cessna washing machine. It just makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/95 "2021-03-23T13:11:42Z")
Well everything noobs need to complete the tutorials and SOE arc are spawned at the station for them. They don’t really need to go to the market…if they even know what a market is or where they are located at such an early point in their eve life. A warning that they are leaving the rookie zone could be confusing, because they have to leave one rookie zone to goto the next rookie zone, the SOE arc. CCP should just advertise the game better. Whilst the number of new players getting ganked is a drop in the ocean, the way they now pussyfoot around when marketing the game is truly irresponsible. The meagre reference to the dangers in hi-sec as ‘relative safety’ is an insult. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/b/2/b272a0ba60d8c957176545dffb90bf2f673e5582.jpeg "EVE Online - Official Gameplay Trailer - Play Free!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPFII3ozSHI) ---
**Author:** ![Han\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/han_zealot/32/300893_2.png) [@Han\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Han_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/96 "2021-03-23T13:14:07Z")
> [@Nina\_Anija](#): > > EVE is not important in my life and I’m glad I’m realizing that now instead of in a few years when I have too much invested to quit. 👍 Yes, quit NOW while you can, before you’re sucked deeper into that meaningless cash-grab they call a _game_. > [@Nina\_Anija](#): > > There are a few other games I know I can have fun playing _now_ and not in two years. I’ve just paid for X4 and been wanting to pay for Assassins Creed: Valhalla which I will buy next month Two very good choices of games 👍 You’re going to love X4 as you can have everything EVE offers - and more because you can actually get out of your ship - without the people to gang up on you at three against one unarmed ship ( how brave, lol ) and where **asteroid belts** actually _have_ **asteroids** in them. Assassins Creed Valhalla is also a good choice! I’ve been having tons of fun since I got it last week. ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/104 "2021-03-23T13:53:51Z")
All ships eventually do go boom. So even with Omega, one should fly what he can afford to lose. All ships should be seen as expendable tools, only used to achieve whatever goal you have set in mind. It should not be seen as equipment that you hoard and keep forever, unless you specifically see it as a collectible like tournament ships etc. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/105 "2021-03-23T13:54:25Z")
> [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](#): > > I will, **never** join the ganking side to become someone who blows up unarmed mining ships, delusionally telling themselves that this is some kind holy mission and they’re brave. They’re **not**. You are overthinking this seriously. Ganking miners is just extremely relaxing, and what is wrong with that? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/108 "2021-03-23T14:00:14Z")
By always flying the smallest/cheapest option, you can actually end up losing _more_ over time than you would have lost by choosing and fitting ships efficiently. Also, you risk presenting yourself as not serious, committed, or reliable enough to recruiters, when they see hundreds of cheap frigate/destroyer losses, and hardly any kills. It’s fine if you plan to always play alone, but if you want some kind of social PvP experience that’s more than merely casual, it’s a good idea to expand your proficiencies beyond the very basics. ---
**Author:** ![Han\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/han_zealot/32/300893_2.png) [@Han\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Han_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/109 "2021-03-23T14:13:48Z")
> [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > Same with Counter Strike Never played that one. Is it good? > [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > Same with World of Warcraft Never played that one either. I don’t like top-down views. > [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > Same with Age of Empires 2 I liked Age of Empires but Ceasar Iv is the best in that genre in my opinion. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > By always flying the smallest/cheapest option, you can actually end up losing _more_ over time than you would have lost by choosing and fitting ships efficiently I don’t believe that since you can lose medium ships just as quickly as small ones. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > It’s fine if you plan to always play alone Then it’s fine. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > but if you want some kind of social PvP experience that’s more than merely casual, it’s a good idea to expand your proficiencies beyond the very basics I play casual and solo, more casual now since I figured out certain things about EVE. I think a zKillboard with hundreds of small ships would be hilarious. My proficiency don’t matter since I’ll always have the ships that go boom. I guess I’ll just go about my business in cheap ships and take the odd gank once in a while and not even bat an eye about it. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/113 "2021-03-23T14:21:10Z")
Dear OP, since you like HP references, here’s one that tells you all about EvE (the game, not the eponymous movie). The attraction is the risk, that’s how I, and many veterans, see it. You accept it when you reach out for the Bertie Bott box, or in this case, log into EvE and do stuff. Some people in this thread clearly are ill at ease with risk, they hate the earwax and vomit beans and want them gone. In reality, they want nothing to do with Bertie Bott’s Every Flavour Beans … They are in the wrong shop… They should stop eating the same color of beans every day and act surprised it’s the same flavour. ![8e40290bb3d64aff345414da46745f4a](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/7/c/c7ce1d2c5fb42a09c33cc1e6ae159843ea0517ba.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Darine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rich_darine/32/438327_2.png) [@Rich\_Darine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rich_Darine)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/119 "2021-03-23T14:42:25Z")
That’s a lot of words to describe Eve’s endgame: Slaughtering noobs unapologetically. You can’t spell slaughter without laughter 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/121 "2021-03-23T14:45:31Z")
> [@hellokittyonline](#): > > If someone ganks you in league of legends you dont question their morals Actually people are doing that too now. In FPS games, too. I’ve been called a griefer (“griefing f\_\_\_\_t” to be precise) recently for spawn-camping a FOB in a Squad match. Because I interrupted them building a reinforced FOB. Been called a “griefer” and “PKer” (???) and threatened to be reported in _multiple_ instances in Planetside 2 when I came across a groups farming repair points in quiet areas of the map away from the fighting. The farming life is gaming’s reality now. > [@Vaendil\_Reyksen](#): > > ^^ that ^^ from someone who purports to want to help! How awful. It’s not awful at all when you’re dealing with someone who’s intentionally trying to antagonize you. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/131 "2021-03-23T15:18:19Z")
> [@Vaendil\_Reyksen](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > It’s not awful at all when you’re dealing with someone who’s intentionally trying to antagonize you > > That’s BS to cover how awful you actually are. Han hasn’t antagonized anyone. She’s just been replying to your futile attempts at having her see the game the way you do. Just because she has another opinion different than yours doesn’t mean she’s antagonizing, she’s just been disagreeing but you have shown your true colors of being a heartless opportunist while you berate CCP for being the same. > Hypocrite. I don’t think you’re fully comprehending what I meant anyway. Advice was given (not even by me) to a player to prevent them from engaging in certain key inefficiencies. The response provided was along the lines of “don’t care, to me this is what it is and you can’t do anything about it.” It wasn’t polite disagreement, but _antagonistic_ disagreement. And that’s fine. But then it’s time to respond to the response, from a _practical_ consideration. Upon meeting this person out in the wild, the “white knight” type would say “this fool knows not what they do, so we must be gentle,” and then they would pass over this person due to the perception of a self-handicap rooted in ignorance. All that I’m doing is saying that they’ve made their bed, and now they get sleep in it. I wouldn’t pass over this person due to their self-handicap, and encourage others to not do so as well. If you think that by “exploiting them for personal gain” I meant something like try to scam them out of their password or something just because I’m angry that they disagreed with me, that’s not what I was trying to say at all. I meant exploit them _as a resource_, because that’s essentially what they _are_. You _tried_ to help, and they spat in your face, so you’re under no obligation to act as a benefactor from that point on. At this point you can seek to extract value from them without any reservations. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/136 "2021-03-23T15:24:20Z")
> [@hellokittyonline](#): > > > [@Vaendil\_Reyksen](#): > > > > Does mean that he’s a heartless opportunist. > > No, it means she’s ROLE PLAYING a heartless opportunist in a VIDEO GAME. I’m actually not. I offer sincere help for the maximum benefit of those who do listen. But when they don’t, they’re no one but a target to me. I’ll act in anyone’s best interests _as long as they’re willing to act in good faith._ But when they don’t care, or act with hostility, I’ll treat them as a resource to be harvested. Just because I _help_ players doesn’t mean I will forego piracy and criminality as my primary forms of gameplay _in all aspects of the game that don’t involve me being a teacher_. That’s what all these crybaby white knights find to be so disagreeable. Because surely someone who teaches can’t also be a mean pirate PvPer! ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Darine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rich_darine/32/438327_2.png) [@Rich\_Darine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rich_Darine)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/139 "2021-03-23T15:27:19Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/d/5d4765a90a5347d562c66407bae11f18ce2a9c14.jpeg "Why you heff to be mad? (Original)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/141 "2021-03-23T15:33:45Z")
Lotta people here these days with no perspective and no sense of humour. ---
**Author:** ![Sarah\_Olson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sarah_olson/32/377582_2.png) [@Sarah\_Olson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sarah_Olson)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/142 "2021-03-23T15:43:34Z")
So many in this game think there is only one _right_ way to play EVE. Bears think that PVP is wrong and PVPer’s think that bears are wrong. PVP is ok as there are so many mechanics built to support it and foster it. Not PVPing is also ok, even CCP created a monument to Chribba and acknowledged that not PVPing is a valid playstyle. The only right way to play EVE is to play EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Admiral\_M\_fune](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/admiral_m_fune/32/259253_2.png) [@Admiral\_M\_fune](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Admiral_M_fune)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/144 "2021-03-23T15:56:28Z")
> [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](#): > > However I genuinely _don’t_ believe that this is the case for _all_ gankers and whilst we _could_ argue about what percentage do _only_ gank when it’s profitable, there is clear evidence that some pilots kill people for purely psychological or ideological reasons or because, as people, they are so full of hatred Excuse me for pointing the obvious but, you’re playing a game where the goal is to have as many kills on zKillboard as possible. How can you possibly expect EVE players to hold lofty ideals as those you hold? In real life those emotions and feelings have value but in a game like EVE, it’s dog-eat-dog. PvP, explode or get out of the way. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/146 "2021-03-23T15:59:38Z")
Generally, people against PvP seem to be under the impression its wrong for evading it to take effort. People for it recognise that effort to PvP increases the more the effort the target puts into evading. ---
**Author:** ![Han\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/han_zealot/32/300893_2.png) [@Han\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Han_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/148 "2021-03-23T16:04:27Z")
> [@Sarah\_Olson](#): > > The only right way to play EVE is to play EVE. The only right way to play EVE is to play it for free. Boy do I feel dumb for paying a subscription to give other people content! I would kick myself in the arse if I could. I refused to play EVE for the longest time since I learned of it back in 2001 because I never believed in paying monthly for a game. Then they came up with Alpha accounts ( well played CCP 👏 ) and a bunch of people got suckered into monthly subscription including me a few months after I signed up back in 2017. But it’s alright though. I paid for less than 6 months altogether and did enjoy it… Now it’s time to enjoy it for free. It will sting way less when what is destroyed is acquired without real money involved. Come gank me in my mission-given Punisher 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Katya\_Itzimaru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katya_itzimaru/32/512123_2.png) [@Katya\_Itzimaru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katya_Itzimaru)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/149 "2021-03-23T16:09:56Z")
I disagree. I’m under zero pressure to grind isk for plex and can just play around doing the sandbox doing whatever I find fun on the quite cheap RL cost of a subscription. In most parts of the world you’re better off swapping the grind to RL. ---
**Author:** ![Vintus\_Turgalium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vintus_turgalium/32/349350_2.png) [@Vintus\_Turgalium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vintus_Turgalium)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-and-quitting/301812/150 "2021-03-23T16:20:42Z")
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