# Ganking cancer **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 3, 2025, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-cancer/488426 "2025-06-03T08:49:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![filos\_off](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/filos_off/32/373501_2.png) [@filos\_off](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/filos_off)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-cancer/488426/22 "2025-06-03T10:13:06Z")
Again, don’t you think that ganking is broken mechanics right now and attackers will not suffer any serious consequencies? Eve is Eve and all this, but don’t you agree that buying sec status for those dudes is too easy? Cmon, be reasonable ---
**Author:** ![Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiger_space_thedark/32/373728_2.png) [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiger_space_Thedark)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-cancer/488426/23 "2025-06-03T10:14:06Z")
there are years of security tag of stockpile that it’s going to be impossible ---
**Author:** ![filos\_off](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/filos_off/32/373501_2.png) [@filos\_off](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/filos_off)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-cancer/488426/24 "2025-06-03T10:17:50Z")
Man, cant stress this enough, my income did not suffer. Playing this game for decade, been -10 by myself. But back in the days you had to kill bots for a week to get to high sec again ---
**Author:** ![Bakster\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bakster_kane/32/460913_2.png) [@Bakster\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bakster_Kane)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-cancer/488426/25 "2025-06-03T10:19:15Z")
Why is he talking about bots? ---
**Author:** ![filos\_off](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/filos_off/32/373501_2.png) [@filos\_off](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/filos_off)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-cancer/488426/26 "2025-06-03T10:22:11Z")
NPC, now you will stop trying to troll? It is funny only for you and maybe some other children. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-cancer/488426/27 "2025-06-03T10:22:53Z")
Gankers used to be moderately tolerable, but what used to require a few players is now done almost exclusively by multiboxers (many using input broadcasting or other voodoo). So yes, it is fast becoming a cancer. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-cancer/488426/28 "2025-06-03T10:25:31Z")
Is ganking toxic or losing ships? I think it is the latter. And that won’t be solved until all ships are invulnerable. And that won’t happen. Essentially it means that EVE has bad design from the start. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-cancer/488426/29 "2025-06-03T10:30:11Z")
I think it’s the manner in which you lose ships. There’s essentially no recourse, and a kill right is next to useless. Overhaul kill rights, implement a **proper** bounty system and limit some ganking actions and it will be less of an issue. ---
**Author:** ![filos\_off](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/filos_off/32/373501_2.png) [@filos\_off](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/filos_off)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-cancer/488426/30 "2025-06-03T10:30:32Z")
Its not about ganking at all, as i mentioned in the post. Its legit mechanics. Its about the punishment. Now you can (without losing any time) just pay for sec status. And this payment is miserable ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-cancer/488426/31 "2025-06-03T10:32:57Z")
See comments above about retribution. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-cancer/488426/32 "2025-06-03T10:33:43Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > I think it’s the manner in which you lose ships. Oh yes. That was the argument about 2 years ago when bunch of crybabies spammed forum about ganking which then resulted in the most significant nerfs to ganking. And the argument was - losing ship to other players is toxic and unfun, we have no problems to lose our ships to NPCs those, that is fair. 2 years later we have bunch of threads here about how is wrong to lose ships to what CCP basically added into game as replacement of the highsec gankers and wardecs that both got nerfed. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-cancer/488426/33 "2025-06-03T10:37:35Z")
What were these nerfs you speak of? Pretty sure various ganking ships and short-range ammo getting buffed along with the ease of multiboxing did the exact opposite? Or could it be that players generally fit their ships better and there are less “easy marks” and huge paydays for gankers? I hate to say it, but the ganking/gatecamp community is akin to the last few lobster fisherman overharvesting a dwindling area. ---
**Author:** ![filos\_off](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/filos_off/32/373501_2.png) [@filos\_off](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/filos_off)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 10:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-cancer/488426/34 "2025-06-03T10:40:00Z")
Man are you a ganker multiboxer? Because I don’t see another reason to advocate ganking with such energy ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-cancer/488426/35 "2025-06-03T10:41:31Z")
And yes, Legion was a buff to players and a nerf to ganking with the resistance hike. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-cancer/488426/36 "2025-06-03T10:42:22Z")
> [@Lydra\_Victor](#): > > Another fun thread. > [@Akkar\_Kardashev](#): > > Ganking Cancer sounds like a charity event tbf. Based on the thread title I had the thought this might be about a new Project Discovery initiative, like `gank 50 ventures for 100 Project Discovery points, in exchange of which CCP will buy main frame time to be used to run AI that is dedicated for cancer research`, or something… so literally `Ganking cancer`. 🤔 😏 > [@Spacetramp\_Drago](#): > > When are people going to realise Don’t mind Bakster, he’s a well known ganker supporter and Aiko worshipper alt, who as a form of forum roleplay pretends to be against ganking, but even then slips out of character every now and then revealing his true agenda. 🤔 🍿 > [@Tiger\_space\_Thedark](#): > > when you are gonna realize you will improve eve by not playing ? To be fair he isn’t, he’s just trolling the forums as a substitute. 🤔 🤭 > [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > Is ganking toxic or losing ships? Neither. People’s toxic reaction to either is, as well as gankers who are toxic (either case not everyone, only when applies based on behavior). But on its own neither ganking nor losing ships is toxic, it is people that can be toxic. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-cancer/488426/37 "2025-06-03T10:42:46Z")
> [@filos\_off](#): > > Again, don’t you think that ganking is broken mechanics right now and attackers will not suffer any serious consequencies? Eve is Eve and all this, but don’t you agree that buying sec status for those dudes is too easy? Cmon, be reasonable Ship loss and security status loss times the amount of shipd used for the gank are consequences. They all cost ISK, which means ganks that result in less loot than that threshold will lose ships at a loss. How much ISK should it cost to gank a cheap ship of someone who did not take basic precautions? 1 billion ISK? Cmon, be reasonable > [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Gankers used to be moderately tolerable, but what used to require a few players is now done almost exclusively by multiboxers (many using input broadcasting or other voodoo). > > So yes, it is fast becoming a cancer. It’s almost as if nerfs to ganking makes ganking less accessible to regular players and pushes it further and further into the a range where only multiboxers can still gank. Maybe CCP should do the opposite and make it more accessible to non-multiboxers too? I wouldn’t mind to give it a try, but the existing consequences stop me from doing do and I cannot try it either on my alpha character ever since they nerfed that. ---
**Author:** ![filos\_off](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/filos_off/32/373501_2.png) [@filos\_off](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/filos_off)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-cancer/488426/38 "2025-06-03T10:45:51Z")
What consequences? Make 4 or 5 alts, and go on, even in alpha status ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-cancer/488426/40 "2025-06-03T10:46:31Z")
I think ganking and kill rights need an overhaul, and I think the type of criminal activities (ie: theft) need to be expanded and improved upon. We also need a **proper** bounty system. I don’t have all the solutions, but there has to be some sort of recourse to ganking other than flying a brick or not undocking in the first place. And by the same token, expanding criminal activities beyond simply multiboxing kills. Smuggling, theft, hijacking, ransom, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-cancer/488426/41 "2025-06-03T10:46:31Z")
> [@filos\_off](#): > > even in alpha status Alphas can no longer set safeties to red in hisec. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![filos\_off](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/filos_off/32/373501_2.png) [@filos\_off](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/filos_off)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-cancer/488426/42 "2025-06-03T10:48:15Z")
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