# Ganking from Alpha account SHOULDNT be allowed **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [April 4, 2019, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-from-alpha-account-shouldnt-be-allowed/150471 "2019-04-04T13:42:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-from-alpha-account-shouldnt-be-allowed/150471/61 "2019-04-08T01:48:05Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Killing a titan isn’t a suicide gank. It might be suicide because the titan just uses a boson or even a smart bomb… and is so op relatively. But it’s not a suicide gank. That’s not the argument. The argument was that alphas shouldn’t have access to end game content. And if blobbing a freighter on hisec is endgame, then I’d say so is blobbing a titan. But it makes no sense to me that alphas should be restricted from ‘end-game’ content. Rather they should be restricted by power. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-from-alpha-account-shouldnt-be-allowed/150471/62 "2019-04-08T01:49:47Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > That would mean a thousand alphas killing a titan is end-game content and should be disallowed/discouraged? Structure bashing? > That makes no sense to me. In the context of “normal” PvP endgame content is defined by ship types. Flying T1 ships with T1 fits is alpha-level content, fielding T2 and capital ships is endgame content. So yes, a swarm of alphas can kill a particular target, but only by using sheer numbers to overcome their weaker individual ships. There’s still plenty of incentive to buy a real account and unlock further progression into better ships. But that same incentive doesn’t exist with suicide ganking, an alpha can do all there is to do and has no reason to ever subscribe. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-from-alpha-account-shouldnt-be-allowed/150471/63 "2019-04-08T01:57:22Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > So yes, a swarm of alphas can kill a particular target, but only by using sheer numbers to overcome their weaker individual ships. There’s still plenty of incentive to buy a real account and unlock further progression into better ships. But that same incentive doesn’t exist with suicide ganking, an alpha can do all there is to do and has no reason to ever subscribe. Isn’t it the same for suicide ganking? They use overwhelming numbers to make the kill. They cannot fully train a catalyst. They cannot fully train a talos. They cannot train stealth bombers. They have not unlocked the full potential of ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 2:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-from-alpha-account-shouldnt-be-allowed/150471/64 "2019-04-08T02:37:12Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Isn’t it the same for suicide ganking? > > They use overwhelming numbers to make the kill. They cannot fully train a catalyst. They cannot fully train a talos. They cannot train stealth bombers. > > They have not unlocked the full potential of ganking. It isn’t really the same because the gap is much smaller. They can’t fully train a gank ship to all Vs, but they can still fly the ship with decent skills and reach most of the full potential. Contrast that with “normal” PvP where logistics ships, covert ops cloaks, capitals, etc, are all completely off-limits on top of having the same limitation of not having all Vs on T1 ships/fits. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-from-alpha-account-shouldnt-be-allowed/150471/65 "2019-04-08T06:53:09Z")
What are you guys even argueing about? A hating liar creates a thread about a non-issue and you start helping him creating the illusion of an issue. You’re being used as tools and he’s laughing his deranged ass off. There’s zero reason why alphas should be limited in their game-play outside of whatever it is they’d be doing to bot and RMT. That’s why, in general, they’re limited in capabilities, while still being able to do the vast majority of ■■■■. They’re just not really “good” at it, as they should. “Incentivizing” is ■■■■■■■■. The proper, non-corporate-speak, actually on point word is “baiting” and when people want to subscribe they’ll do so anyway. If they _require_ bait, then they did not actually want to subscribe by their own choice. Bait is for drug addicts. When you get them hooked, they’re not going to sub because of the game, but because of the drug administered to him. The _only_ drug that’s actually okay here is _adrenaline_, because that’s not given by CCP, it’s given through player actions. Any and all drugs given by CCP so far have proven to be a rather stupid idea only attracting people who want to play to get the next fix, but not for playing’s sake. Stop being daft, please? ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-from-alpha-account-shouldnt-be-allowed/150471/66 "2019-04-08T07:09:27Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > There’s zero reason why alphas should be limited in their game-play outside of whatever it is they’d be doing to bot and RMT. It’s almost like there is reasonable cause to believe that there are people using illegal methods to multibox alphas to gank. There have been enough people who have bragged about multiboxing alphas after all. You are falling into the trap of dismissing the thought because of who said it. Eventually they have to say something that at least is close to a point, even if most of it is terrible. And with CCPs inability to limit alpha multiboxing exploits they do need to consider which ways they can be abused badly and close them. Ganking is one of those ways. ---
**Author:** ![Omnathious\_Deninard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omnathious_deninard/32/266675_2.png) [@Omnathious\_Deninard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omnathious_Deninard)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-from-alpha-account-shouldnt-be-allowed/150471/67 "2019-04-08T10:58:36Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > It’s almost like there is reasonable cause to believe that there are people using illegal methods to multibox alphas to gank. The only flaw I can see with this argument is CCP has the numbers, if they routinely saw that Hanks were occurring with alpha accounts they would have stepped in. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-from-alpha-account-shouldnt-be-allowed/150471/68 "2019-04-08T11:03:19Z")
Have you seriously not seen how slow they are to step in most of the time… ---
**Author:** ![Omnathious\_Deninard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omnathious_deninard/32/266675_2.png) [@Omnathious\_Deninard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omnathious_Deninard)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-from-alpha-account-shouldnt-be-allowed/150471/69 "2019-04-08T11:40:01Z")
I have, they are quite slow but acknowledge and correct too. In regards to the OP Limit alpha ability to fly larger ships, Limit alpha access to mission Limit alpha access to faction gear Do NOT limit alpha access to PVP regardless of the type of PVP ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2019, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-from-alpha-account-shouldnt-be-allowed/150471/70 "2019-04-08T14:38:47Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > It’s almost like there is reasonable cause to believe that there are people using illegal methods to multibox alphas to gank. There have been enough people who have bragged about multiboxing alphas after all. > You are falling into the trap of dismissing the thought because of who said it. Eventually they have to say something that at least is close to a point, even if most of it is terrible. > And with CCPs inability to limit alpha multiboxing exploits they do need to consider which ways they can be abused badly and close them. Ganking is one of those ways. If they are doing something illegal report it. You don’t design around that. /facepalm ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-from-alpha-account-shouldnt-be-allowed/150471/71 "2019-04-14T07:46:46Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > should ban you and **give you all of my stuff** 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Kalus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_kalus/32/512583_2.png) [@Lord\_Kalus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Kalus)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-from-alpha-account-shouldnt-be-allowed/150471/72 "2019-04-14T08:02:11Z")
> [@General\_DeathRabbit](#): > > Ganking from Alpha account SHOULDNT be allowed You are wrong, stop blaming alphas. Also upgrade the potato you play on so it doesn’t take 5 seconds for the undock to load and then use an instawarp bookmark. ezpz. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Kalus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_kalus/32/512583_2.png) [@Lord\_Kalus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Kalus)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-from-alpha-account-shouldnt-be-allowed/150471/73 "2019-04-14T08:05:56Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Bait is for drug addicts. When you get them hooked, they’re not going to sub because of the game, but because of the drug administered to him. I’m pretty sure part of the reason gankers gank is because they get a dopamine rush when their victim drops something shiny. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-from-alpha-account-shouldnt-be-allowed/150471/74 "2019-04-14T08:07:11Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > > should ban you and **give you all of my stuff** > > 🤔 Hey, it’s at least as reasonable as anything Naari Naarian has said. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 9:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-from-alpha-account-shouldnt-be-allowed/150471/75 "2019-04-14T09:31:33Z")
stop whinging and asking for proof of this and that when you already know what hes saying is true; it just makes you look like an idiot troll; rise above it ser. And that goes for the rest of you too, though i should hardly be surprised as its most likely you guys that are using alpha clones to do this. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-from-alpha-account-shouldnt-be-allowed/150471/76 "2019-04-14T16:14:22Z")
So saying we shouldn’t design around exploits (imagined or otherwise) is whining? You always seemed to have a better grasp of software design than that, guess I was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-from-alpha-account-shouldnt-be-allowed/150471/77 "2019-04-14T16:51:18Z")
i read it like ‘‘if they are exploiting, the solution is to NOT design around it and to punish honest players’’ and then ‘’ op needs to provide proof’’ ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-from-alpha-account-shouldnt-be-allowed/150471/78 "2019-04-14T16:52:45Z")
Then you should work on your reading skills. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-from-alpha-account-shouldnt-be-allowed/150471/79 "2019-04-14T16:58:51Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/e/5e2ef2773328f50afe30df1b65755a8e4840f397.jpeg) we all know this happens. proof is not needed. ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-from-alpha-account-shouldnt-be-allowed/150471/80 "2019-04-14T16:59:54Z")
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