# Ganking funerals - crossing a line, or true to the spirit of EVE? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 17, 2023, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860 "2023-12-17T14:33:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Rtsu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rtsu/32/382977_2.png) [@Rtsu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rtsu)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860/41 "2023-12-19T08:02:27Z")
No-one says Counter-strike is about PVP but you read EVE is about PVP all the time Why is that? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860/42 "2023-12-19T08:36:01Z")
It probably has something to do with the intelligence of the average Counter-Strike enjoyer being higher than that of the average EVE miner. The former simply doesn’t require a macro-level explanation of the game they’re playing, while the latter requires it to be drilled into their head repeatedly because they have the attention span of a gerbil. ---
**Author:** ![Rtsu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rtsu/32/382977_2.png) [@Rtsu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rtsu)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860/43 "2023-12-19T08:37:43Z")
I was told that only sophisticated and intelligent people play EVE online ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860/44 "2023-12-19T08:55:09Z")
The majority of EVE’s player base consists of semi-retired boomers who clicked through on EVE ads while watching their favorite Star Trek: TNG clips on YouTube. Think Bob, the 58-year-old assistant manager at the carpet dealership in Boise, Idaho. With a lukewarm IQ of 98. Which is to say, your decidedly-average, run-of-the-mill middle-classer whose biggest hardship in life was that time they ran out of steak at Chipotle. And that’s why they cry so hard every time someone dunks their $0.27 mining barge in high-sec. I raid in Hardcore Classic, and when people lose characters they spent 300 hours leveling and gearing out, they don’t complain even 1% as much as these EVE “players” do when they lose a ship that takes about half an hour of mostly-watching-Netflix time to replace. Their minds can’t even begin to reconcile such a minor degree of adversity and competition. They aren’t _gamers._ And they certainly aren’t interesting people. All they’re conditioned to do is eat/■■■■/work/sleep until it’s off to the retirement home for them, and EVE somehow accidentally fits into all of this, to its considerable detriment as an open-world PvP MMO. ---
**Author:** ![Rtsu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rtsu/32/382977_2.png) [@Rtsu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rtsu)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860/45 "2023-12-19T09:01:06Z")
I assume you are speculating ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860/46 "2023-12-19T09:28:36Z")
> [@Done25](#): > > hit lists Some people in the related reddit thread stated as such and that they will hunt down the guy (in-game). Not sure how many will follow through if any at all though. But the thing is think about it, if anything the guy just enjoys the attention and additional PvP opportunity. Worst case will hop onto an alt and do whatever he wants to do without anyone knowing he is the same person. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860/47 "2023-12-19T09:33:45Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > Not sure how many will follow through if any at all though. 0 ---
**Author:** ![Argel\_OTF2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/argel_otf2/32/388676_2.png) [@Argel\_OTF2](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Argel_OTF2)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860/48 "2023-12-19T10:49:53Z")
Some absolute nonsense arguments here. Nobody expects everyone to ‘stop playing’. Actively seeking out this funeral event and ganking it is not something people have to do to play the game, it’s a sad way of stopping someone being remembered by those who knew them, As usual, the toxicity of this userbase is the problem. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860/49 "2023-12-19T11:14:46Z")
The player died in real life and gankers had a funeral? Sounds like dark sarcasm or an enjoyment of the person dying in real life so that the gankers can appear to be, holy in game. Ganking a funeral in game should be a bannana offense. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860/50 "2023-12-19T11:30:28Z")
Is Dryson gonna protect my funeral? ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860/51 "2023-12-19T12:12:17Z")
Only if it’s held in Uedama. 😏 🤭 😇 ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860/52 "2023-12-19T12:27:07Z")
> [@Rtsu](#): > > but you read EVE is about PVP all the time There’s a difference between “there’s a potential for PvP in EVE anywhere, anytime” and frequent cries of “EVE is all about PvP”. The former is true. The latter you pretty much only hear from gankers who’re posing and trying to be edgy and convince other people they’re doing something brave, bold and impressive. They want their niche of a niche of a niche activity to be viewed as utterly fundamental to EVE, just as they view themselves as mighty warriors. As opposed to vultures hiding in high sec while they farm ISK safely and easily. Which is what’s actually going on. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860/53 "2023-12-19T12:28:58Z")
> [@Argel\_OTF2](#): > > Nobody expects everyone to ‘stop playing’. Actively seeking out this funeral event and ganking it is not something people have to do to play the game, it’s a sad way of stopping someone being remembered by those who knew them, > > As usual, the toxicity of this userbase is the problem. EVE isn’t a funeral home; it’s a multiplayer video game. It’s not toxic to play the game according to its rules and regulations. You’re only using this label because it’s a matter of convenience for _you_ personally. You want other players to operate under not only the game’s rules, but a special set of personal rules you’ve created as well. Conflating the concept of toxicity with not merely the way a person acts, but whether or not they follow _your_ personal moral code is disingenuous. Carebears use this tactic to try to extract concessions out of everyone around them for personal gain. “Don’t shoot us, we’re having a funeral!” “Don’t destroy my ship, I have a heart condition!” “Give me back my items, I’m a disabled war veteran on public assistance and can’t replace it!” It’s pretty much all the same thing. If we chose to follow these demands just to not be labeled toxic, the kill board wouldn’t have even a tenth of its activity. ---
**Author:** ![Argel\_OTF2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/argel_otf2/32/388676_2.png) [@Argel\_OTF2](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Argel_OTF2)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860/54 "2023-12-19T12:47:20Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > It’s pretty much all the same thing. If we chose to follow these demands just to not be labeled toxic, the kill board wouldn’t have even a tenth of its activity. Well it isn’t. That’s the point here. You know it isn’t, and equating someone going out of their way to disrupt a showing of respect to someone who has died IRL with the argument about ganking generally is just classic Eve forum garbage. If you can’t see - or more likely, simply will not concede - the difference, then yes, you are part of the toxicity. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860/55 "2023-12-19T12:48:33Z")
> [@Argel\_OTF2](#): > > you are part of the toxicity “You’re not allowed to attack me in this game because of [insert RL reason]” sounds pretty toxic to me. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860/56 "2023-12-19T12:50:58Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > gankers who’re posing and trying to be edgy… vultures hiding in high sec… whinewhine You seem salty about gankers - what’s the deal? It’s just a game, calm down. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860/57 "2023-12-19T12:52:15Z")
> [@Argel\_OTF2](#): > > You know it isn’t, and equating someone going out of their way to disrupt a showing of respect to someone who has died IRL with the argument about ganking generally is just classic Eve forum garbage. You have no way of proving one way or another whether the person was attacking the funeral _specifically_ to disrupt a showing of respect for someone who passed away, or if they simply thought that it was a good opportunity for PvP and source of plentiful targets. This is total conjecture on your part. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860/58 "2023-12-19T12:53:26Z")
You have no way of verifying the person even died. Why respect a funeral which may very well be fake? The virtue signalling is nice and all, but there is no practical way to verify that a funeral is legitimate, and thus there is no means to prevent a “funerals are protected” policy from being manipulated and exploited for ingame advantage. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860/59 "2023-12-19T13:43:57Z")
You were told wrong! ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860/60 "2023-12-19T13:43:59Z")
> [@Argel\_OTF2](#): > > Well it isn’t. That’s the point here. You know it isn’t, and equating someone going out of their way to disrupt a showing of respect to someone who has died IRL with the argument about ganking generally is just classic Eve forum garbage. If you can’t see - or more likely, simply will not concede - the difference, then yes, you are part of the toxicity. That’s nonsense. Why should someone’s funeral be immune to the very gameplay they enjoyed whilst alive, under some mistaken notion of ‘respect’ ? In fact, I have attended a cortege where the player’s 3bn Charon was blown up…_as a mark of respect_ Essentially a Viking type funeral… > **[Charon | Znaei | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/106443924/)** > > Znaei (Absolute Order XVIII) lost their Charon in 2O9G-D (Deklein). Final Blow by bob3776 Severasse (Absolute Order) flying in a Caracal. Total Value: 3,202,582,015.31 ISK [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-funerals-crossing-a-line-or-true-to-the-spirit-of-eve/432860.md?page=4)