# Ganking has gone too far **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [June 2, 2018, 2:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071 "2018-06-02T02:56:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071/164 "2018-07-10T22:08:53Z")
> [@mimi45](#): > > dream on poor boy, earn your own PLEX šŸ˜˜ You sound like youā€™re wearing a fedora. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 12:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071/165 "2018-07-11T00:57:05Z")
I donā€™t know if youā€™re addressing me or not, but you should know a few thingsā€¦ 1. Iā€™m not AG, and one of the other tanks I use on my hauling alt is the permit tank. 2. Jonah made my other point for me. Iā€™m not an idiot. I donā€™t just use an exceptional fit and techniques that will be incredibly hard to catch in both high and low, but I also use alternating routes to and from Jita and Amarr, using one or the other depending on activity and traffic along the routes I use. Since I live about equidistant between both hubs, either is as convenient to me as the other. 3. I post with my main. If you look at zkill, youā€™ll see clearly that I do, indeed, undock, even if itā€™s only to lose a \*\*\*\*fit old Jaguar in a 4/10 DED šŸ˜… ---
**Author:** ![Otheello\_Bennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/otheello_bennington/32/84573_2.png) [@Otheello\_Bennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Otheello_Bennington)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 3:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071/166 "2018-07-20T03:31:31Z")
Gankers should have to be made to pay for a ganking permit much like a war dec. A ganking permit would simply reduce the amount of time between ganks. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 4:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071/167 "2018-07-20T04:20:37Z")
Why should gankers have to pay for a ā€˜ganking permitā€™ if we already have wardecs? ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071/168 "2018-07-20T11:45:03Z")
Because miner logic\>CCP ---
**Author:** ![Vile\_Belief](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vile_belief/32/392942_2.png) [@Vile\_Belief](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vile_Belief)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071/169 "2018-07-20T16:14:30Z")
Iā€™ve played this game since 2004. I have a pirate main and this is my trader alt. On my trader, I have never once been ganked in high-sec in all my time in EVE either on my pirate main or this trader alt. I am constantly moving hundreds of millions between high-sec and low-sec in my indy ships. I also do the same between high-sec for my trading. I use mostly industrial ships, cloaks and often times, just use my slow ass freighter. Iā€™ve lost my haulers in space, but only in low-sec gate camps where I myself made the mistake. I deserved to get popped because it was me who got slack. Where I survive ganks in low-sec is because Im correctly tanked, have speed, and a plan to get out. CCP should not reward you for being lazy and a bad player. ---
**Author:** ![mimi45](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mimi45/32/77591_2.png) [@mimi45](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/mimi45)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071/170 "2018-07-20T18:21:33Z")
CPP does not reward us, weā€™re reward cpp with our money money for no service and then still fools attacking us ā€¦ not any more, I will not give my mone to be on 10/10 alert while playing a GAME ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071/171 "2018-07-20T18:26:23Z")
Then, by all means, go find a single player mode game like Elite: Dangerous where you can play in perfect safetyā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![mimi45](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mimi45/32/77591_2.png) [@mimi45](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/mimi45)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071/172 "2018-07-20T18:40:51Z")
word of the year is including, not excluding šŸ•¶ ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071/173 "2018-07-20T18:47:31Z")
Since you are wanting to be so ā€œinclusiveā€, then thereā€™s room for everyone, ā€œincludingā€ gankers šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![mimi45](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mimi45/32/77591_2.png) [@mimi45](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/mimi45)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071/174 "2018-07-20T18:55:33Z")
ofc, they are more than welcome, to gank **each others** šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071/175 "2018-07-20T19:02:12Z")
> [@mimi45](#): > > CPP does not reward us, weā€™re reward cpp with our money for no service CCP are a service provider, like many other service providers they canā€™t guarantee that the service is available 23.5/7 > and then still fools attacking us Itā€™s a PvP game, just as in all the other PvP games people will attack you. > not any more, I will not give my mone to be on 10/10 alert while playing a GAME Good riddance to bad rubbish; can I have your stuff? ---
**Author:** ![mimi45](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mimi45/32/77591_2.png) [@mimi45](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/mimi45)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071/176 "2018-07-20T19:14:23Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > can I have your stuff Iā€™ll keep it, have a feeling that soon Eve will chage a loooooot šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071/177 "2018-07-20T19:23:15Z")
I have a feeling youā€™re going to be sorely disappointed. Weā€™ve been having this conversation since 2003, thatā€™s 15 yearsā€¦ Hisec still has PvP in many forms, including ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071/178 "2018-07-20T19:58:49Z")
Well as my ganking experience goes. I have had people shoot my iteron when I had it over what it should of been full. Pretty worth killing. I have had someone shoot my iteron when it was completely empty (not one item), and I sold them back the resulting kill right for around 50mil. I have had some group of people shoot my HAC when I was afk piloting, but the funny thing is they didnā€™t even break its shield, wow they were bad. And of course the most obvious and most prevelant ship ganked was a retriever I was using somewhere in hisec. You know the horrible lore type ship that for some reason has a paper thin haul because CCP is a little overally compliant about it. The problem with ganking and yes there is a problem is one you can be -10 and go anywhere without the police doing anything. Please relate that too real life to include your laughter. And two the paper thin hauls intentionally given to miners. Also as haulers go CCP has made the cloaky transport hauler class so expensive that ganking them is like an automatic free green killboard. Yea thatā€™s hard EvE right? Now I would like to take all the worst people we can find down in the prison system and drop them in Iceland and say hey CCP remember you donā€™t do anything to them until they do something wrong. Something tells me Iceland would disagree. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071/179 "2018-07-20T20:07:06Z")
> [@Sugar\_Smacks](#): > > you can be -10 and go anywhere without the police doing anything Nope, -10 get chased and shot at by the Faction Police. Concord are not the old bill, theyā€™re state executioners. ---
**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071/180 "2018-07-20T20:08:57Z")
You mean the nerfed down lame want to be police but are as or worse than the want to be faction npcs? Yea sure I am sure when you think police when you want them in real life that instead you meant Fed Ex. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071/181 "2018-07-20T20:18:49Z")
Concord donā€™t respond to security status for a reason, low security status can be gained via legitimate means, FW for example. If Concord responded to sec status the way that the facpo do then it effectively locks a very large number of players out of hisec without just cause. IIRC the sec status criteria that triggers a facpo response is pretty close to the criteria that makes a player freely engaged because of their sec status. _Turns out itā€™s not so close, -2 and facpo will respond in a 1.0._ Now if we want police like we have in real life how do you feel about response times of ranging from hours to never? Police corruption? Politically influenced police? etc, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071/182 "2018-07-20T20:20:20Z")
I got too the ā€œwithout just causeā€ part before I started laughing. These are future police, something tells me the response time has improved. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071/183 "2018-07-20T20:21:40Z")
> [@mimi45](#): > > Iā€™ll keep it, have a feeling that soon Eve will chage a loooooot even you quitting wouldnā€™t mean a thing (lol) stop thinking so highly of yourself šŸ˜‚ [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-gone-too-far/80071.md?page=10)