# Ganking has not gone far enough **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [April 28, 2019, 2:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522 "2019-04-28T02:53:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522/64 "2019-04-29T08:56:21Z")
So you want to play a game where people benefit from not playing? ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522/65 "2019-04-29T09:15:40Z")
> [@Lord\_Kalus](#): > > move this thread to the roleplaying forum please? A valid point If the OP wants a serious discussion as himself asked, then he should stop roleplaying that James crappy stuff. Some people actually have some good ideas and OP ruined the discussion with roleplay babling. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522/66 "2019-04-29T09:17:43Z")
It’s not roleplay. We made an in game rule. If you are AFK, we will shoot you. It’s not roleplay. We actually do it (in game). ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522/67 "2019-04-29T09:19:45Z")
You saying AFK mining is forbidden IS roleplay , as there’s no game rule saying the opposite. The miner will pay the price eventually, and he deserves it, but it’s not FORBIDDEN , only in your group moral library ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522/68 "2019-04-29T09:22:17Z")
We really need more gankers. The generic pirate NPCs in the belts do not do enough. EVE Online is supposed to be dangerous! If a player feels confident enough to go afk while they idly mine, does the sound like a dangerous universe to you? No! EVE is harsh and cruel! Only those who have the smarts and guts should be able to survive! ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522/69 "2019-04-29T09:28:02Z")
> [@Nysta\_Miityew](#): > > I think this is what people need. There are people who just like PvP for fun but many want a reason to fight. PvP is expensive. Why risk your expensive ships just for “content”? > > I think things like Faction Warfare have the right idea. It gives a reason to PvP and rewards it with LP (which can be converted to ISK). For most people I’d think PvP is a net loss and until that changes people will avoid it. “PvP” in EVE is not some minigame or game mode like you would find it in any other game. It is always a means to an end. Yes there are certain people who just pew pew for entertainment, but in EVE you either find out how you do that profitable, grind and become occasionally the target for other PvPers or inject RL money. Asking to change this would fundamentally change EVE and it would just become a bad version of other available games that do this sort of “Arena PvP”. Why destroy the unique game mechanics EVE has for no gain? ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522/70 "2019-04-29T09:32:25Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > You saying AFK mining is forbidden IS roleplay , as there’s no game rule saying the opposite. The miner will pay the price eventually, and he deserves it, but it’s not FORBIDDEN , only in your group moral library If you venture into a wormhole system to mine gas and then the locals blow you up and tell you it is their gas, is that role playing as well? Because no game rules say it is theirs. 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522/73 "2019-04-29T10:36:47Z")
``` And who is claiming their gas in forums? Here's a list: ``` … … … … … Yeah nobody. So OP still replaying on a thread about game mechanics ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522/75 "2019-04-29T10:41:36Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > ``` > And who is claiming their gas in forums? Here's a list: > > ``` > > … > … > … > … > … > > Yeah nobody. So OP still replaying on a thread about game mechanics That was a rather cheap attempt at avoiding the question. Now it’s only RP when it happens on the forums? So if someone claims a highsec system and the ore in there as their own in-game that is not role playing to you? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522/76 "2019-04-29T10:47:28Z")
No, that’s not roleplaying, that’s what Helmut Kohl described as realpolitik. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522/77 "2019-04-29T10:55:34Z")
It is if the thread is about game mechanics. What code or hisec claim has to do with proposed game machanics ? Nothing. Just one more attempt by them to gather more people as usual. Thing must be not going well ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522/78 "2019-04-29T11:18:45Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > What code or hisec claim has to do with proposed game machanics ? Nothing. You claimed that it is about game mechanics actually. What CODE. does is normal interactions in the game. Players can enforce their own rules with power projection if they can and CODE. obviously is pretty good at that. You can chose to ignore them, like you can chose to ignore the guy claiming it’s “his” wormhole system. In both cases that may not be the best strategy. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522/79 "2019-04-29T13:08:34Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > It’s not roleplay. We made an in game rule. No, you made an in game _ **excuse** _. I have no objection to your activities, but don’t try and imply they have any other backing than the use of force to get your own way. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522/80 "2019-04-29T13:14:40Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > You claimed that it is about game mechanics actually. What CODE. does is normal interactions in the game. Players can enforce their own rules with power projection if they can and CODE. obviously is pretty good at that. You can chose to ignore them, like you can chose to ignore the guy claiming it’s “his” wormhole system. In both cases that may not be the best strategy. That is fine as long as they stop whining about the tank on the skiff. Or is that role playing? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522/81 "2019-04-29T14:40:03Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > I have no objection to your activities, but don’t try and imply they have any other backing than the use of force Well, that’s the whole reason everybody has been talking non-stop about James and the CODE. for seven years now. He has the force, which is on his side. Indeed, Hobbes wrote that a lawful government can maintain itself only through violence. Every country enforces its laws, by arresting the perpetrators of evil. In James space, it is illegal to mine without a permit, and it is therefore illegal to mine AFK, as being is a violation of the terms and conditions of the permit (which is immediately revoked). We may not have the time to save every lawless miner, and some like Dracvlad are just soo hard that even elite agents of the wormhole CODE. cannot find his nefarious mining fortress, but certainly every miner knows the long arm of James is reaching out for them. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522/106 "2019-04-29T15:17:14Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > To be honest, the only people I see whining about the tank of the skiff and orca around here are miners who get their moon ore stolen. Have never seen such people, because carebears do not place themselves in a position to be war decked, it is not possible good sir. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > As always it seems the over-buffed tools are only fine if they can exclusively use it. Exactly, most do not and therefore there is no reason to castigate this poor innocent ship for being tanky. ---
**Author:** ![JJ\_Joker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jj_joker/32/494096_2.png) [@JJ\_Joker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JJ_Joker)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522/109 "2019-04-29T15:40:19Z")
Well, to improve the high-sec ganking piracy mechanic the changes must include the player istead of NPC’s , as is already going on market. Some solutions: - Nerf CONCORD at the point they are only a support to players - Buff concord hulls adding some specific roles - 10% damage DEALT regarding on sec status of the target, per sec-status point. Ability to engage any minus sec status anywere. Makind them unable to be used by negative sec-status. This would add good content as people can form their police corps, sharing intels etc. More like a perma war good guys vs bad guys. These are just some toughts. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522/112 "2019-04-29T15:46:06Z")
Exactly my point, so small lighty vessel crashing into big freighter results in small vessel vaporised, and big vessel slightly damaged and slightly out of course ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522/113 "2019-04-29T15:50:06Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > so small mighty vessel crashing into big freighter results in small vessel vaporised, and big vessel slightly damaged and slightly out of course That’s not how those laws of physics work Little object with high velocity hits big object with low velocity, in a vacuum; one of two things is going to happen. The little object punches a hole in the big object, like a bullet or other projectile, or the big object is diverted from its chosen course at a significantly increased velocity. If someone decides to chuck a shitton of MWD frigates at a freighter, it’s going to look like a colander in very short order. Currently with bumping the little object often masses about the same as a Nimitz class aircraft carrier and is moving at supersonic speeds. ---
**Author:** ![JJ\_Joker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jj_joker/32/494096_2.png) [@JJ\_Joker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JJ_Joker)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522/114 "2019-04-29T15:50:59Z")
Well would be not a perma war vs miners u would get concordokked same way, but not with those power. point is the concord damage never stopped gankers so their power failed… maybe we should give capsuleer the chance to prove their value on field [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-has-not-gone-far-enough/155522.md?page=5)