# Ganking is a valid form of gameplay, just like PvP everywhere else in EVE Online, and it takes practice to get good at, more inside **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 23, 2026, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206 "2026-02-23T17:34:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gasephed\_Sinak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gasephed_sinak/32/478207_2.png) [@Gasephed\_Sinak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gasephed_Sinak)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2026, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/25 "2026-02-24T01:19:24Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > Maybe stop troll You attack everything I say, so try taking your own advice. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2026, 1:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/26 "2026-02-24T01:20:47Z")
I don’t attack you, I criticize what you write, big difference. ---
**Author:** ![Gasephed\_Sinak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gasephed_sinak/32/478207_2.png) [@Gasephed\_Sinak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gasephed_Sinak)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2026, 1:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/27 "2026-02-24T01:24:26Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > I don’t attack you, I criticize what you write LOL Keep trying to convince yourself that you’re the good guy and I’m the bad guy here. **What exactly did I “attack”?** ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2026, 1:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/28 "2026-02-24T01:30:32Z")
You (and everyone else) know very well who you have been attacking. Now, can we please get back on the topic of this thread? Ganking is a valid form of play, as stated multiple times by CCP. Can it be improved? Of course it can. Should it be removed? not without NPCs getting a lot more dangerous and less avoidable. Both options would require a lot of work to implement. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2026, 1:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/29 "2026-02-24T01:39:21Z")
I think CCP’s intended goal is to have players act as the ‘monsters’ seen in traditional games, and so the removal of ganking would undermine the core concept of EvE Online. Like, gankers are supposed to be hunting miners. It doesn’t mean we are bad people in real-life, or that we deserve years of abuse, it just means we are people playing the game. This is precisely why security tags exist, because they are intended to facilitate ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2026, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/30 "2026-02-24T01:43:21Z")
Very true, after all, time and time again. CCP shows capsuleers in the lore as monsters, and players follow suit, not just those who gank. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2026, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/31 "2026-02-24T01:47:11Z")
> [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > your execution becomes silk-smooth Haha, James you flatter me! 👸🏻 ---
**Author:** ![Gasephed\_Sinak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gasephed_sinak/32/478207_2.png) [@Gasephed\_Sinak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gasephed_Sinak)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2026, 2:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/32 "2026-02-24T02:02:36Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > You (and everyone else) know very well who you have been attacking. There is a clear difference between attacking a person and criticizing arguments. If I quote something you wrote and point out inconsistency, that is criticism of content. If I were making claims about you as a person, that would be an attack. You may not like the conclusions I draw from your posts, but disagreement or pointing out hypocrisy is not personal aggression. It is engagement with your stated position. If there is something specific I said that you believe crossed into personal attack, quote it. Otherwise, let’s keep this about the arguments themselves. **Ganking is NOT valid gameplay. There’s no counterplay. End of discussion.** ---
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2026, 2:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/33 "2026-02-24T02:05:17Z")
I think we’re going off the track here with the ‘monster’ comparison/analogy. Ganking is just a specialized form of PVP adapted to high sec. In any other part of space same thing happens (blobbing, hot dropping, gate camping, whatever) and they’re all legitimate. Everyone in EVE minimizes their risk and maximizes their gain. That’s why solo PVP and ‘fair fights’ are pretty rare in this game. As for the ‘monster’ part – it’s not that. CCP hasn’t put a filter on human nature, and those who wanna be more naughty or mischievous or outright ‘bad guys’ can act it out, just as in real life. You’re free to be whatever you wanna be. I’m pretty sure a lot of ‘gankers’ enjoy the ‘bad guy’ image in the game. Nothing wrong with that. The whole question of legitimacy/validity is absurd as this is a free sandbox game. Be what you wanna be, do what you wanna do. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2026, 2:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/34 "2026-02-24T02:06:12Z")
I’m just glad ganking is valid gameplay, with lots of viable counterplay. Let’s continue the discussion! ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2026, 2:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/35 "2026-02-24T02:19:49Z")
For the record, we are not calling players monsters, just our capsuleers. Gameplay is just gameplay, but in the lore, all pvp activities are causing a massive loss of life with crews, and even more so with structures. Heck, even something as innocuous as PI, is causing a massive loss of life as shown in: [https://universe.eveonline.com/chronicles/xenocracy](https://universe.eveonline.com/chronicles/xenocracy) We (our capsuleers in game) are not as innocent as some like to think in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2026, 2:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/36 "2026-02-24T02:33:41Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > all pvp activities are causing a massive loss of life with crews, and even more so with structures. Heck, even something as innocuous as PI, is causing a massive loss of life as shown in: In that sense as well, then, there is no difference between different forms of PVP. They all cause loss of life. I gotta check out that lore though. ---
**Author:** ![Gasephed\_Sinak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gasephed_sinak/32/478207_2.png) [@Gasephed\_Sinak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gasephed_Sinak)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2026, 4:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/37 "2026-02-24T04:01:18Z")
You men are clearly delusional. There is no couterplay, therefore, it is not valid gameplay. Simple. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2026, 4:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/38 "2026-02-24T04:12:53Z")
there is counter play… escape, use a heavy tank, use dscan and escape. and its been deemed NOT an exploit, you can pull concord to be on the ready.. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Meltdown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blue_meltdown/32/451856_2.png) [@Blue\_Meltdown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Blue_Meltdown)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2026, 5:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/39 "2026-02-24T05:47:54Z")
The biggest problem i see is not about ganking itself, its about the definition. You can kill anyone everywhere. While Lowsec just gives you a hit on security status, Null and JSpace don’t have any negative things hitting you (besides some corp is really peed about it). Only in Highsec you get instant revenge by Concord. But in the end you (the victim) have to prepare the same way everywhere no matter what and living in JSpace myself, i don’t have the intel a local chat gives me. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2026, 5:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/40 "2026-02-24T05:56:25Z")
I made a list of counterplay options: > [@Counterplays to Ganking](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/counterplays-to-ganking/489821): > > Some loser whinebabies keep pretending there is “no counterplay” to Highsec ganking. I decided to make a list of counterplay options, feel free to chime in below if you think of something I missed, and I will update the list. pay the gankers to gank someone else (it works!) you go elsewhere dock up fit your ship (try armor, shield, DCU, bulkheads, and rigs) warp away (try aligning, using bookmarks) use an afterburner/MWD drones (lots of options) ecm - these are literal ‘countermeasures’ boosts… 1. pay the gankers to gank someone else (it works!) 2. you go elsewhere 3. dock up 4. fit your ship (try armor, shield, DCU, bulkheads, and rigs) 5. warp away (try aligning, using bookmarks) 6. use an afterburner/MWD 7. drones (lots of options) 8. ecm - these are literal ‘countermeasures’ 9. boosts/reps 10. logi 11. bait 12. smartbombs 13. stationcamp the gankers 14. gatecamp the gankers 15. wardec the gankers (we all own structures somewhere) 16. beg 17. whine in the forums 18. gank the gankers - for example, Novus Ordo mines in Silen, Abudban, and Finanar - if they can gank your miner, you can gank their miner 19. cloaky loki 20. hunt their suspect looter 21. kill their scouts 22. steal their loot 23. shoot their decloak fighters 24. warp core stabilizer 25. join a fleet 26. dont go AFK 27. scam the gankers 28. don’t be a miner 29. overheat 30. warn other miners 31. try scouting 32. use an alt 33. phone a friend 34. be cool and get adopted as a ganker’s pet 35. learn to bump 36. try cloaking 37. dont be greedy 38. buy a mining permit/mining rights/multipass 39. pay rent 40. get good 41. be more like Aiko Danuja 42. praise me (and please me) 43. dont be obnoxious ---
**Author:** ![Asveron\_Durr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/asveron_durr/32/473468_2.png) [@Asveron\_Durr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Asveron_Durr)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2026, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/41 "2026-02-24T07:46:45Z")
> [@Gasephed\_Sinak](#): > > Ganking is NOT valid gameplay. There’s no counterplay. End of discussion. you are wrong sir… “suicide ganking” in HS is simply pure piracy, true piracy…and Piracy is a form of gameplay in EvE. if you do not like that, no one can help you not even CCP and you should go play something else. ---
**Author:** ![Asveron\_Durr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/asveron_durr/32/473468_2.png) [@Asveron\_Durr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Asveron_Durr)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2026, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/42 "2026-02-24T07:53:49Z")
ya know… that entire list can be boiled down to: 1.) Do not be stupid ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2026, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/43 "2026-02-24T11:15:28Z")
People arguing that ganking is a ‘problem’ in EVE….its a bit like arguing that sand bunkers are a ‘problem’ in golf and are somehow not supposed to be there. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2026, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/44 "2026-02-24T11:18:12Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > hunt their suspect looter And just to prove it _can_ be done….and solo too… > **[Impel | Transporty Boi | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/118745882/)** > > Transporty Boi (Good Bunnies) lost their Impel in Piak (Lonetrek). Final Blow by Gloria Exercitus (Perdere Omnia) flying solo in a Gnosis. Total Value: 252,432,517.76 ISK [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206.md?page=3)