# Ganking is a valid form of gameplay, just like PvP everywhere else in EVE Online, and it takes practice to get good at, more inside **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 23, 2026, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206 "2026-02-23T17:34:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Murder\_Maid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/murder_maid/32/515993_2.png) [@Murder\_Maid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Murder_Maid)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 3:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/558 "2026-11-03T03:23:12Z")
That graph might not have the whole picture but it’s far from inaccurate it tells a very compelling story about human nature and the need for adversity and struggle, that being insulated and safe becomes so boring that you quit. It’s the ones that never got to experience eve, before leaving quietly and without notice that bothers me. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 3:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/559 "2026-11-03T03:56:22Z")
That’s why I try to kill as many new players as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Murder\_Maid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/murder_maid/32/515993_2.png) [@Murder\_Maid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Murder_Maid)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 4:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/560 "2026-11-03T04:39:52Z")
That’s so noble and brave, so your saying safety is trying to save the game. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 4:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/561 "2026-11-03T04:49:25Z")
Yes!!! That’s why they call me the High Saviourette and Heroin of Highsec! 👸🏻 ---
**Author:** ![Murder\_Maid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/murder_maid/32/515993_2.png) [@Murder\_Maid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Murder_Maid)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/562 "2026-11-03T05:03:11Z")
So cool. 🌬 ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/517479_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 5:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/563 "2026-11-03T05:30:27Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > > > Please stop posting CCP Rice’s 💩 graph from 2015 > > Meh…well of course you are scared of actual data as opposed to the hysterical whiny rants of those who just make stuff up. And as usual instead of quoting the complete sentence, you do selective quoting and distort the facts in an attempt to prove yourself correct… You constantly posting a decade’s old graph with incorrect stats basically shows you’re actually mis-representing the true state of things… If you want actual data, check out CCP Hellmar’s 2019 presentation ‘Beyond The Friendship Machine’… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 7:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/564 "2026-11-03T07:03:50Z")
2019 was 7 years ago. Why don’t you find some more recent data to backup your claims? ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/517479_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/565 "2026-11-03T09:17:02Z")
How about you follow your own advice and find more recent data to back up your claims instead of constantly posting inaccurate BS from 11 years ago… ---
**Author:** ![Anna\_Dyneaux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anna_dyneaux/32/510758_2.png) [@Anna\_Dyneaux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anna_Dyneaux)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/566 "2026-11-03T09:20:31Z")
Sure, will you give me access to CCP’s KPI feeds? I can put together new graphs showing all kinds of interesting player retention information if they just let me poke around the accounts database for a bit. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/517479_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/567 "2026-11-03T09:46:23Z")
Heh, go ask your local CSM member… ---
**Author:** ![Anna\_Dyneaux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anna_dyneaux/32/510758_2.png) [@Anna\_Dyneaux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anna_Dyneaux)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/568 "2026-11-03T09:52:22Z")
@Mike_Azariah DeMichael’s got work for you. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/569 "2026-11-03T09:58:09Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > If you want actual data, check out CCP Hellmar’s 2019 presentation ‘Beyond The Friendship Machine’… Nope…we’ve already had previous threads on that myth. Nothing from Hilmar in 2019 negates the 2015 data. In fact it is worse for you than that. If you combine the 2015 ‘only 1% of noobs are ganked in the first 2 weeks’ with Hilmar’s 2019 stats showing that 90% of noobs leave within the first 2 weeks… ![slide2](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/e/0e44741fa5e6d55b767f788cd876a5e7de38fa13.jpeg) ![retention](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/c/e/dce640c90f7275f300fad612668d8ede6b9b2216.png) Then we have all the data we need in order to KNOW that 88.74% of noobs do NOT leave due to ganking as they were never ganked ! The data is right there in CCP’s own stats. So you whiners make a big do over 1%…whilst completely ignoring 88.74% that cannot have left due to ganking. You want the entire game changed for the 1% yet completely ignore the fact that 88.74% more than likely left due to _boredom_…and you want to make highsec even more boring ! You are like those doctors of old…who, when leeches didn’t work, decided the only solution was to add more leeches. ( The above is based on CCP’s own data…_which is the only data we have_ and is not made up BS that you guys come up with ) ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/517053_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/570 "2026-11-03T10:27:17Z")
Gotta get elected first. But I DO think ganking is a valid portion of Eve. Just maybe less so, seal clubbing m ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/517479_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/571 "2026-11-03T10:47:00Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Nope…we’ve already had previous threads on that myth. Nothing from Hilmar in 2019 negates the 2015 data. In fact it is worse for you than that. If you combine the 2015 ‘only 1% of noobs are ganked in the first 2 weeks’ with Hilmar’s 2019 stats showing that 90% of noobs leave within the first 2 weeks… What’s rubbish is how you can’t even comprehend what CCP Hilmar is saying because you’re still clinging to that 💩 CCP Rice posted… CCP Rice based his stats on 2 week old new players who quit the game… 5 years later CCP Hilmar did his study on new players over the course of 90 days, most of who quit the game which was the basis for his presentation… **And let’s make this perfectly clear - I never said all of them quit due to ganking** … Stop trying to twist things out of context… Either you don’t understand basic English or you just didn’t bother to watch CCP Hilmar’s presentation.. This is what he said: > CCP Hilmar: > > Devastating Loss is really like, we now call it The Magic Moment, at the moment you lose your first spaceship is the moment whether, either you have enough understanding of why it happened, and or you have the social network to help you through it, then you play forever. If you don’t then you immediately quit and never come back. > > **Understanding why it happened, a ray of hope that you can respond and get back on your feet and get revenge, and social support.** During the Magic Moment, that is what makes an elite Eve player. Since you lack basic comprehension of the English Language… Getting revenge is the clue to what he’s talking about… He’s not referring to ‘Devastating Loss’ as happening in a big fleet fight with other players because losing a ship there is expected… And he’s definitely not talking about PvE because you can’t get revenge on AI NPC’s… He’s talking about new players being alone and getting attacked resulting in ship loss… He said the reason most of them quit is due to not understanding why it happened, no social support group, no hope of being able to respond and get revenge… That’s the key phrase - **‘and get revenge’** … Now if you can’t comprehend the fact that he’s referring to brand new players getting ganked then you’re even more of a fool than what I already think you are… Lastly if there wasn’t an issue with it happening, there wouldn’t be a need to make Exordium Region be non-PvP… ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/572 "2026-11-03T11:11:04Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Now if you can’t comprehend the fact that he’s referring to brand new players getting ganked then you’re even more of a fool than what I already think you are… You are making an unfounded assumption here by suggesting the only way a new player can lose their first ship in PvP is _being ganked_. As new player I recall I lost my first ships in PvP to: - a gate camp in NS - a player killing me in an asteroid belt in NS - a cloaky player also killing me in a belt, in NS - a roaming gang, in NS And none of it in high sec, because after 3 uneventful gank-free weeks in HS I ventured to more risky parts of space as newbie to experience the threat of PvP I was promised. I liked the gate camp death, those guys have been a pain and enemy for years after that and I still recognize them. Talk about a ‘magical moment’! This ‘magical moment’ of losing a first ship does not need to be a gank like you suggest. EVE has a lot of forms of PvP besides ganks, even for those who would stay in HS. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/573 "2026-11-03T11:17:25Z")
Speaking of losing things and ganking, did someone gank your `Guidance Counsellor` tag? Geo still has it so it should still be available as a user tag. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Lucy\_Alfrir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucy_alfrir/32/382506_2.png) [@Lucy\_Alfrir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucy_Alfrir)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/574 "2026-11-03T11:22:15Z")
Yup my first few were - accepting a duel - buying a cheap frigate in lowsec (Amamake) and then losing it and a pod trying to get home - a bunch in a highsec wardec Being ganked is pretty rare. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/575 "2026-11-03T11:22:22Z")
What I thought was a funny title and recognition for having helped people instead too often triggered envy and harassment, which derailed threads some of which I was not even part of yet. I don’t think a funny title is worth that hassle and hope that people again judge me on my words instead of some thing next to my name. ---
**Author:** ![kage1982](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kage1982/32/516465_2.png) [@kage1982](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/kage1982)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/576 "2026-11-03T11:22:44Z")
You forgot to add the 🤣🍿🤣🍿🤣🍿 so you don’t sound funny. You are not funny anymore boooo boooooo ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/577 "2026-11-03T11:30:04Z")
Yeah insecure people and their jealousy seem rampant around these parts. Though personally I think you shouldn’t cater to the whims of the forum plebs. They will find another thing to whine about anyway, you won’t satisfy those types. Ever. 🤔 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206.md?page=27) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206.md?page=29)