# Ganking is a valid form of gameplay, just like PvP everywhere else in EVE Online, and it takes practice to get good at, more inside **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 23, 2026, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206 "2026-02-23T17:34:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/517479_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/618 "2026-11-03T17:49:54Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > You are making an unfounded assumption here by suggesting the only way a new player can lose their first ship in PvP is _being ganked_. > > As new player I recall I lost my first ships in PvP to: > > a gate camp in NS > a player killing me in an asteroid belt in NS > a cloaky player also killing me in a belt, in NS > a roaming gang, in NS Nope, EVE Online has a pop-up warning message that appears on-screen when players attempt to jump from High Sec space into Low, Null, W-hole and Triglavian systems so if they do jump, then they already accepted and know about the risk… Re-read CCP Hilmar’s statement.. > CCP Hilmar: > > Devastating Loss is really like, we now call it The Magic Moment, at the moment you lose your first spaceship is the moment whether, either you have enough understanding of why it happened, and or you have the social network to help you through it, then you play forever. If you don’t then you immediately quit and never come back. > > Understanding why it happened, a ray of hope that you can respond and get back on your feet **and get revenge** , and social support. During the Magic Moment, that is what makes an elite Eve player. ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/619 "2026-11-03T17:51:45Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > So by all means just carry on being a grumpy old bittervet who wants to deny or twist the _only_ data we have on the matter. in my eyes YOU are the ‘grumpy old bittervet’ who denies ANY change to the game that involves pvp negatively out of pure principle and ANY data that suggests into a direction that ‘the majority of the players simply do not care what happen to pvp’ is denied because what cannot be has not to be… The change i’m talking about for a long time now WILL come and all your rants will not hinder it…because it is long overdue and needed for the better of the game. Botom line… ---
**Author:** ![Drosera\_Binata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drosera_binata/32/516991_2.png) [@Drosera\_Binata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drosera_Binata)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/620 "2026-11-03T17:53:10Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > in my eyes that there, is the problem with people today, they see what they want to see, hear what they want to hear, and dont acknowledge what the truth actually is when it is right in front of them > [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > and all your rants and yet you have been ranting for as long as i can remember, and you call yourself a ‘sooth sayer’ we all call you a glitbiter ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/621 "2026-11-03T17:54:32Z")
> [@Drosera\_Binata](#): > > that there, is the problem with people today, they see what they want to see, hear what they want to hear, and dont acknowledge what the truth actually is when it is right in front of them Talking about yourself? Facts are facts and fact don’t need ‘opinions’… All you do is spreading irrelevant opinions… ---
**Author:** ![Drosera\_Binata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drosera_binata/32/516991_2.png) [@Drosera\_Binata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drosera_Binata)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/622 "2026-11-03T17:55:21Z")
i could say the same to you Uta. ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/623 "2026-11-03T17:56:20Z")
MY ‘rants’ have a background, yours are just a desperate try to hinder the changes that are needed in this game… Bottom line… ---
**Author:** ![Drosera\_Binata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drosera_binata/32/516991_2.png) [@Drosera\_Binata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drosera_Binata)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/624 "2026-11-03T17:58:56Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > MY ‘rants’ have a background, yours are just a desperate try to hinder the changes that are needed in this game actually, i see that you have not been paying attention to what i say, there are good and bad things that would come from turning all of highsec into a place like exordium, more new player retention for example, but when they get board of highsec but dont feel ready for lowsec, they quit, that is why there is highsec the way it is, as a bridge between exordium and lowsec ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/625 "2026-11-03T18:00:54Z")
> [@Drosera\_Binata](#): > > actually, i see that you have not been paying attention to what i say, there are good and bad things that would come from turning all of highsec into a place like exordium, more new player retention for example, but when they get board of highsec but dont feel ready for lowsec, they quit, that is why there is highsec the way it is, as a bridge between exordium and lowsec continue believeing that…the louder will i laugh… ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/517479_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/626 "2026-11-03T18:00:55Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > So by all means just carry on being a grumpy old bittervet who wants to deny or twist the _only_ data we have on the matter. > > I stand by my words, and by the data. Heh, that’s rich coming from you, especially since you keep posting old incorrect info as factual truth… If there really is no issue of brand new players getting ganked, then Exordium Region wouldn’t need to be non-pvp… ---
**Author:** ![Drosera\_Binata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drosera_binata/32/516991_2.png) [@Drosera\_Binata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drosera_Binata)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/627 "2026-11-03T18:03:24Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > continue believeing that…the louder will i laugh… how many online multiplayer games are popular that have some way of doing pvp compared to the ones that do not allow pvp at all, tell me, are people who prefer multiplayer games to not have some way of pvp in the minority, or the majority? if you dont like that eve has pvp, then why do you play? and just because you say you will laugh doesnt mean that you actually will, but feel free, i dont care. so go on, laugh (or rant seems like the same thing in your case). _or are you too SCARED._ and uta, pvp and pve are just 2 sides of the same coin. if you want pve, that includes pvp, as pvp is just a narrower term of pve, which means player versus everything, everything includes other players. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/628 "2026-11-03T18:24:18Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Nope, EVE Online has a pop-up warning message that appears on-screen when players attempt to jump from High Sec space into Low, Null, W-hole and Triglavian systems so if they do jump, then they already accepted and know about the risk… EVE also has a warning when you enter HS for the first time. Your point… ? Players will be aware PvP can happen in EVE. All I’m saying is that this ‘magical first PvP loss’ does not have to be a HS gank, like you claim, but that it can happen in many scenarios from a first wormhole trip to suspect baiting to a HS duel to a null sec bubble gate camp. I do not see how what you quoted from Hilmar contradicts what I said, nor how it confirms your still unfounded claim that this first PvP loss of newbies must be a HS gank. ‘Revenge’ is not something reserved for HS ganks, you can plot revenge in all of the PvP scenarios I mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/629 "2026-11-03T18:29:19Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > ![1000009651](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/0/4/9042d975d1199b33da182d5be577efc17bc7d838.gif) Aiko’s humiliator is still alive. 😊 Haven’t seen you in a while. 🤔 ![LGSE](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/a/f/7af5285404e7af40b518dd9dcd0568c4eb53c15f.png) :ccpguard: ---
**Author:** ![Drosera\_Binata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drosera_binata/32/516991_2.png) [@Drosera\_Binata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drosera_Binata)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/630 "2026-11-03T18:57:30Z")
where can i get one of those? ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/517479_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/631 "2026-11-03T18:59:22Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > EVE also has a warning when you enter HS for the first time. That’s incorrect, especially for the time frame of the discussion which is from 2015 to 2019… As for the rest of your post, which part of ‘Not understanding why it happened, not being able to get back up and get revenge’ do you not understand? The only aspect of your examples that would even barely qualify is the Duel which also has a warning message… Now if a brand new player accepts a Duel and loses their ship, that’s not a Devasting Loss because they already understand why it happened and have accepted the risk… Same goes for entering into Low, Null, W-hole, etc… ---
**Author:** ![Drosera\_Binata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drosera_binata/32/516991_2.png) [@Drosera\_Binata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drosera_Binata)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/632 "2026-11-03T18:59:54Z")
aiko, you have fallen from the flow of the vryai by failing to kill glenduil ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/633 "2026-11-03T19:00:23Z")
Calm down miner. ---
**Author:** ![Drosera\_Binata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drosera_binata/32/516991_2.png) [@Drosera\_Binata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drosera_Binata)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/634 "2026-11-03T19:01:33Z")
i thought i was a ganker. and i have an idea to make isk as a ganker, sell the loot that drops from the ship that got ganked back with 30% of the price marked off to insure acceptance of the contract ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/635 "2026-11-03T19:02:01Z")
I recycle all loot, in accordance with the law. ---
**Author:** ![Drosera\_Binata](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drosera_binata/32/516991_2.png) [@Drosera\_Binata](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drosera_Binata)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/636 "2026-11-03T19:02:34Z")
well i am going to do the sell back method, make it so that you can get them to have less time of travel and more sitting duck time ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2026, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/637 "2026-11-03T19:16:21Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > That’s incorrect, especially for the time frame of the discussion which is from 2015 to 2019… I started playing EVE in that time, in 2017. I was aware ganks could happen in HS from day one. Surely this was not some secret knowledge? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206.md?page=30) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206.md?page=32)