# Ganking is a valid form of gameplay, just like PvP everywhere else in EVE Online, and it takes practice to get good at, more inside **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 23, 2026, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206 "2026-02-23T17:34:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/517379_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/1174 "2026-11-12T01:47:11Z")
I noticed something just now… I had just finished clearing a L4 security room and was cleaning up with an MTU and a pair of Salvage II drones. I’m watching this automated system do its work. The MTU pulling in everything within range while the drones salvage everything they can reach. I’m mining! This… is mining. It’s actually more automated than mining. The only difference is that I had to shoot ships before this could take place- hardly a dangerous activity since I was hitting a lot of them from 200km away. I clear the room in 5 to 10 minutes and then spend twenty minutes cleaning up. Once the MTU and drones have done all they can, I activate the MJD to jump to the next batch of wrecks, deploy the MTU and drones again, and browse the internet for another 10 minutes. I was amused by the similarities 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/1175 "2026-11-12T01:47:36Z")
That’s why we call them miners. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/517379_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/1176 "2026-11-12T01:47:59Z")
And I hadn’t realized why until now. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/1177 "2026-11-12T09:29:12Z")
> [@Skott\_Atram](#): > > can you please shortly state all the points you know on that? 1. Set all ganker groups and their scouts to status red. That way you will know when they enter a system you are in. 2. Look up ganks on killboard and be aware of particular systems where gankers operate the most…such as Muvolailen next door to Jita. Be especially wary in systems near Jita. 3. Be wary, when mining, of any seemingly ‘friendly’ ships coming up close to you. They may well be a gank scout acting as a ‘warp in’ point. 4. Scout choke point systems such as Uedama before entering. Contrary to popular opinion, a lot of the time there are no gankers there. 5. Ironically, though it may seem counter-intuitive, a lot of people see loads of flashing red people in Uedama and decide that’s the worst time to go through. It isn’t. If all the gankers are flashy it means they have just ganked someone and have a criminal timer which means Concord will immediately pounce on them…so in fact the flashy red gankers are usually all docked up, and now is the _best_ time for you to go through. Some people go on about d-scan. I judge d-scan to be useless against gankers. ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/1178 "2026-11-12T10:03:52Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > People having a _proper_ debate or discussion concede points, and admit being wrong ( or at least don’t carry on repeating the same proven wrong ‘facts’ again and again ). ALL I see from you is some ranting old man shouting at the clouds and utterly oblivious to the actual facts. brave statement coming from someone whos only arrows are insults instead of facts while basicly saying ‘someone like you, with another opinion than mine, CAN NOT be insulted by me because i do not like what he says’. Interesting world view btw… ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/517379_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/1179 "2026-11-12T10:09:28Z")
> [@Skott\_Atram](#): > > can you please shortly state all the points you know on that? because from my own post I didn’t get much useful info from you initially nor from everyone else Use stronger fits. You don’t have to use a Hulk. Skiffs mine too and they can reach 300,000 EHP with the help of an Orca using shield command bursts. ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/1180 "2026-11-12T10:31:36Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > You clearly haven’t got a clue about either free speech or the law. There is no law in any country on Earth ( not even America ) that allows you to say just whatever you like without repercussion. Defending the ‘american way’ in which companies basicly are allowed by law to enslave their employees and you can be fired on a days spot(which itself is dissallowed in(as example) germany(absolute minimim in germany is 2 days first week, 1 week from 2-4 weeks and 14 days after 4 weeks notice period and a LOT of paperwork even if you are in a job first day and completely incompetent). But i know…germany is a socialistic example country and this does not work as i said, nowhere…wait a minute…look at sweden, or scandinavia in global…look at minimum pay in europe…all this leaves the us FAR behind regarding laws and rights of the worker. It regulates companies and put said companies back in their place where they belong… US? They still think you live to work and not work to live… let me tell you a big secret…60 hour/week are INHUMAN and not ‘normal’…only normal in your little uncozy 3% of the global population us spot…the rest(97%) of the world thinks different. Hell even in afghanistan, a country that you bombed into oblivion the conditions are better then in the us. And the life expendency is YEARS higher than in us average 🙂 I don’t know about you, but THIS fact alone would let me start thinking if the pink colored pictures of the reality in the us from an outside look MAYBE seem not as pink as they seem to look from inside even if this propaganda was hammered into your brains in school 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/517379_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/1181 "2026-11-12T10:33:26Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > Defending the ‘american way’ in which companies basicly are allowed by law to enslave their employees There’s no law that allows that LOL!!! ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/1182 "2026-11-12T10:34:06Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > There’s no law that allows that LOL!!! look up german worker rights dude…and compare them to us…your employees are SLAVES… but btw very interesting that you do not even answer to the rest of the post…too inconviniend? 🙂 As i said…germany is a socialistic example country… ---
**Author:** ![Murder\_Maid](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/murder_maid/32/515993_2.png) [@Murder\_Maid](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Murder_Maid)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/1183 "2026-11-12T11:13:31Z")
I beg to differ 30% apr is criminal Just like mining without a permit…you yes you ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/1184 "2026-11-12T11:29:07Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > brave statement coming from someone whos only arrows are insults instead of facts while basicly saying ‘someone like you, with another opinion than mine, CAN NOT be insulted by me because i do not like what he says’. Do stop projecting. The person who presents absolutely nothing in the way of facts and who resorts to insults in every single post is you. So as well as being a proven outright liar ( see above ) you are also a hypocrite. And you don’t simply state ‘an opinion’. You repeatedly elevate your _mere_ opinion to the level of fact. That, and the _utterly toxic and venomous_ way you come across…wishing people a ‘happy rage quit’ and so on…is why I reject you. You are just another example, as if one were needed, of how those who whine loudest about ‘toxicity’ in EVE are invariably THE most toxic of the lot ! ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/517379_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/1185 "2026-11-12T11:38:18Z")
No one has to work here in America. I work because I like buying things. No ine owes me a house or a car or clothes or anything that I have. I own 2 houses, a car, and lots of toys and I work hard to pay for all that. Everything that I have was designed by other people. I found someone who needed help and I help that company so that I can earn money in order to buy the things I want. ---
**Author:** ![Anna\_Dyneaux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anna_dyneaux/32/510758_2.png) [@Anna\_Dyneaux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anna_Dyneaux)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/1186 "2026-11-12T11:39:00Z")
Nobody’s saying the USA has better labour rights than Europe. Of course it doesn’t, the USA is an extreme example of bad labour rights and work-life relationship. What they do have is very strong freedom of speech rights, which Europe very much does not have. Which is why European countries arrest people over Twitter posts or public protests that would be considered tame in the USA. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/517379_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/1187 "2026-11-12T11:39:10Z")
> [@Murder\_Maid](#): > > I beg to differ 30% apr is criminal > > Just like mining without a permit…you yes you Then don’t borrow at 30%. And i told you- go get 80 friends and you might have a chance at stopping me from mining. ![1000009718](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/1/3/d13f7e0c48a1bab6c6ddddf64ce222738b6a4de5.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/1188 "2026-11-12T11:45:03Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > Defending the ‘american way’… That is typical of you. You ‘quote’ someone and then your supposed response rambles on at some tangent that has nothing to do with what you quoted ( in this case free speech ). You do that again and again. You don’t respond _to what people have actually said_…which is really quite rude. You go off on some wild tangent, deliberately start introducing obfuscatory nonsense, and then claim victory. I have long come to the conclusion that, to put it politely, you are not at all rational but one of those perpetual whiners who are the only person in the entire world who is right about absolutely everything and anyone who _dares_ question you is ‘being insulting’. ![clouds](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/b/4/4b4b403c4fed6ab13478a9accc331bdc60f2bc8e.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/1189 "2026-11-12T12:00:08Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > And i told you- go get 80 friends and you might have a chance at stopping me from mining. Truth is, the level of ganking in highsec is ridiculously over-stated. There are 1090 highsec systems, and probably 100 gankers online at the most. That works out at half a dozen to a dozen gank fleets of varying sizes. For every system with gankers in it, there’s 100 with none. That includes God forsaken systems miles from nowhere in cul-de-sacs that are not on any beaten track and which gankers rarely visit. Such systems ( Aurcel, Azerakish, to name but two ) are not hard to find and are often completely devoid of players. ---
**Author:** ![Skott\_Atram](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skott_atram/32/515634_2.png) [@Skott\_Atram](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skott_Atram)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/1190 "2026-11-12T12:07:39Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > 1. If all the gankers are flashy it means they have just ganked someone and have a criminal timer which means Concord will immediately pounce on them I’d say it makes sense in a way that after they recieve a criminal timer and get their ship destroyed, from what I gather from [Timers - EVE University Wiki](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Timers#Criminal_Timer) , they can’t warp away on their pod to get a new ship from a citadel or a station. Or can’t warp away from the clonebay since the criminal timer prevents them from activating a warp drive. > [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > 1. Set all ganker groups and their scouts to status red. That way you will know when they enter a system you are in. It’s fine but I’d like to mention for other people reading here that there are some/many gankers from NPC corps and although you spot some of the active members from the most famous corporations and alliances in local like that, there’s a more efficient way to do it which is local-scan services ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/1191 "2026-11-12T12:10:43Z")
> [@Uta\_Asmai](#): > > germany is a socialistic example country… Utter balderdash. Germany is not a socialist country. It is a capitalist federal republic. You clearly don’t know what socialism is. It is _state control of the means of production_. You know…like they had in East Germany when you had to wait 10 years for a Trabant made by some worker who could not be fired no matter how bad he did his job and thus had no incentive to do a good job. My BMW…on the other hand…was created by a capitalist economy. ---
**Author:** ![Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/princess_rose_ivory/32/515700_2.png) [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Princess_Rose_Ivory)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/1192 "2026-11-12T12:14:47Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > I judge d-scan to be useless against gankers. About the only time I use dscan – due to the systems I mine – is only when I see someone has entered, using local chat. I set up shop in a low sec cul-de-sac. This means only one gate to watch. If I am alone local chat is empty. Let’s assume there are 10 people in the system when I get started. When the 11th person arrives I have dscan set narrow on the gate and look at what type of ship just showed up. If nothing, it usually means someone woke up in a station. Other than getting some clues on who and what is moving, dscan is not very useful. Many times when gas mining, will just toggle out and watch a TV show on Netflix or Disney+ At the end of 50 minutes, I will either have a full load or have been blown up. Rarely do gankers strip the ship, so I grab another empty venture and recover the remains. Otherwise I have found it very simple to avoid gankers. Have fun! ---
**Author:** ![Lucy\_Alfrir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucy_alfrir/32/382506_2.png) [@Lucy\_Alfrir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucy_Alfrir)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2026, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206/1193 "2026-11-12T12:15:55Z")
> [@Princess\_Rose\_Ivory](#): > > Many times when gas mining, will just toggle out and watch a TV show on Netflix or Disney+ AFK gaming is illegal, immoral and fattening. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206.md?page=57) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-a-valid-form-of-gameplay-just-like-pvp-everywhere-else-in-eve-online-and-it-takes-practice-to-get-good-at-more-inside/507206.md?page=59)