# Ganking is the only consistent and "fair" content **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 27, 2023, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239 "2023-10-27T14:29:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/225 "2023-11-06T16:46:11Z")
Thanks for the dissertation. There’s this thing called inertia. And it’s affected by mass. Rotational speed is affected by it, because the platform and the weapon both have mass. But this is EvE so if you want to think that lasers should be able to spin around on gimbaled axis at the speed of light, don’t let me stop you. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/226 "2023-11-06T16:56:47Z")
> [@Kanavaisto\_Askiras](#): > > Asshole behaviour has to be punished…end of story… You mean like trying to make a PvP game PvE? How wou you like to be punished? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/f/5/bf5c889d26e99c5922d080e0eca8f8d48cf93c07.webp) ---
**Author:** ![Eldstokkr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eldstokkr/32/361029_2.png) [@Eldstokkr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eldstokkr)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/227 "2023-11-06T17:03:51Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Nah…that’s just plain silly. To sum it up, yes. Your love of Amarrian flashy lights is noted. Antimatter is still superior. ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/228 "2023-11-06T17:26:32Z")
> [@Eldstokkr](#): > > Antimatter is still superior. I love the sound that the salvos make, gives me the feeling that my target is being shredded. The Javelins are awesome as well. Still have to try the Voids. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/229 "2023-11-06T21:47:06Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Thanks for the dissertation. Oh, there’s more where that came from… “And because laser beams travel at the speed of light, lasers can track and target unpredictable weapons like China’s hypersonic DF-ZF better than conventional missiles—_gunners won’t have to lead a target and anticipate its location the way they do currently_.” > **[The U.S. Is Losing the Hypersonic Arms Race to China—But Its New High-Powered...](https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a42435948/navy-laser-weapon/)** > > The Navy's new $13 billion aircraft carrier is already obsolete. This new tech may be the only thing that saves it. “speed of light engagement which makes responsiveness and tracking much faster than kinetic weapons” > **[prism\_8-3\_Obering\_36-46.pdf](https://ndupress.ndu.edu/Portals/68/Documents/prism/prism_8-3/prism_8-3_Obering_36-46.pdf)** > > 192.05 KB There are already systems developed by Lockheed that use mirrors to adjust the laser…making turret inertial issues irrelevant. > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > But this is EvE so if you want to think that lasers should be able to spin around on gimbaled axis at the speed of light, don’t let me stop you. Where did I ever say the _turret_ had to rotate at the speed of light ? Oh, and that Condor orbitting at 4000m a second…that’s _2.5 miles per second_…is being subject to 400 G…if you really want to argue physics plausibility. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/230 "2023-11-06T21:54:13Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > There’s this thing called inertia. And it’s affected by mass. Rotational speed is affected by it, because the platform and the weapon both have mass. It’s worth pointing out that even the massive 135 ton guns on the USS Iowa…and we’re talking 1940s technology…could be rotated at 12 degrees per second. Ships can survive orbiting at 400 G force yet in 23,000 years nobody made a gun that could rotate faster ? ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/231 "2023-11-06T21:54:41Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Where did I ever say the _turret_ had to rotate at the speed of light ? Right here Capt’n Cosmo. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > But why on Earth do lasers, **where the laser travels at the speed of light, have turret tracking issues**? ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/232 "2023-11-06T21:55:14Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Ships can survive orbiting at 400 G force yet in 23,000 years nobody made a gun that could rotate faster ? Because it’s a video game. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/233 "2023-11-06T21:56:25Z")
You forget that that condor pilot is in a pod , suspended in Space Goo, the spaceship made out of pixels. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/234 "2023-11-06T21:58:53Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Right here. Oh gawd. You seriously haven’t understood a word being said. The \*_laser_ light travels at the speed of light. You know…_as light does tend to do_. No, they don’t throw the laser at the target or rotate it at the speed of light…lol. Bangs head against wall at 400 G. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/235 "2023-11-06T22:00:14Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/0/8/a08c7affae9f7d7a2fdaf4fa6a4a771ff721a41d.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/237 "2023-11-06T22:28:10Z")
> [@Eldstokkr](#): > > Antimatter is still superior. Void is. But then nothing in the spec says that Void is antimatter. Just checked with my Praxis and I get 527 DPS from Caldari Navy Antimatter with blasters and 807 DPS from Conflag with lasers…and the laser has 3 times the range. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/238 "2023-11-06T22:32:21Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > You seriously haven’t understood a word being said. It’s not my fault you can’t convey information in a coherent fashion. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > No, they don’t throw the laser at the target or rotate it at the speed of light…lol. I didn’t say that, and neither did you. Can your reading comprehension get any worse? You said: > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > But why on Earth do lasers, where the laser travels at the speed of light, have turret tracking issues Let’s disseminate this shall we. The light amplification stimulation emission of radiation does travel at the speed of light. You got that part right. But where you fall apart is the next part in that statement. You’ve made the assumption, and/or collapsed the speed of the emission of light with the emission’s _source_ being aimed and tracking a target. And sadly, we do not, nor in the EvE lore, have the ability to turn something physical quite that fast. Again, mass and inertia play a big part in this. And you know this. Or else I’m inclined to believe that you’ve never used a firearm, or a laser pointer… But you’ve recognize how stupid you sound, and are fervently backpedaling instead of admitting you ■■■■■■ up, and are trying to distract us from your mistake with a ■■■■ ton of unrelated articles and red herring (or some sort of weird strawman, see below) > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > No, they don’t throw the laser at the target […] to make it seem like you know what you’re talking about. But sadly, none of that stuff will cover the fact that you collapsed the speed of the emission of light with the ability of the emission source to rotate and track a target. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/239 "2023-11-06T22:50:39Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > It’s not my fault you can’t convey information in a coherent fashion. You can’t understand _pretty basic usage of terminology_ and think ‘laser travels at the speed of light’ means the turret is rotating at the speed of light. That _is_ your fault. In fact even common sense would dictate that no laser turret would even need to rotate at the speed of light even if it was being orbited by a craft travelling at light speed. I’ll leave you to work out why. Got any more straw men I can fire some Conflag at ? Or do you wish to dig deeper into the hole your miscomprehension has dug. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/240 "2023-11-06T22:57:39Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > and think ‘laser travels at the speed of light’ means the turret is rotating at the speed of light. That _is_ your fault. No. I didn’t say that. You did. Right here: > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > But why on Earth do lasers, where the **laser travels at the speed of light, have turret tracking issues**? Nice try passing the buck, Bucko. And, boy isn’t it easy to pass off one’s own incompetency as someone else’s problem i.e? > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > You can’t understand _pretty basic usage of terminology_ I’m going to familiarize myself with the terminology for that form of logical fallacy. But let me ask you this sweetie, are you perusing knowledge here, or just “being right?” ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/241 "2023-11-06T23:06:39Z")
I made it clear a dozen posts ago, for the hard of understanding, what ‘laser travels at the speed of light’ meant. In fact it is clear to any sensible person in the original post and context. So I can’t be bothered with your rather silly attempts at word salad. I mean, why would I even need to say the turret rotated at the speed of light when in fact even to keep up with a craft that was orbiting at light speed it would, by very simple geometry, only need to rotate at 1/2\*pi of that speed. So to any SENSIBLE person its pretty obvious that is not what I was saying. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/242 "2023-11-06T23:12:56Z")
So you answered your own question then. Good. I was wondering if it was rhetorical. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 11:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/243 "2023-11-06T23:13:54Z")
I get that one ☝ The brain is a watermelon full of mush! @Altara_Zemara lazers shoot straight and the turret moves. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/244 "2023-11-06T23:18:47Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > lazers shoot straight ROFLMAO. I needed that. Well timed, friend. However, light does bend, and weirdly, slows down in denser gravitational fields, then speeds back up again once the wave packet leaves that field. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/245 "2023-11-06T23:19:36Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > You’ve made the assumption, and/or collapsed the speed of the emission of light with the emission’s _source_ being aimed and tracking a target. And sadly, we do not, nor in the EvE lore, have the ability to turn something physical quite that fast. Again, mass and inertia play a big part in this. And you know this. Actually, given that we are told the Heavy Pulse Laser is 10 m3, we can thus work out it is about 80 tons if made of steel. And that is if all 10 m3 were solid steel. So probably only half that. Even as far back as the 1940s, the USS Iowa was able to rotate a 135 ton turret at 12 degrees per second. So it is entirely plausible that in 23000 years the tech could exist to rotate a 40 ton turret at 60 degrees a second and shoot that Condor. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239.md?page=13)