# Ganking is the only consistent and "fair" content **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 27, 2023, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239 "2023-10-27T14:29:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/386 "2023-12-30T08:53:42Z")
I can explain this pretty easily, normal players are those that are not focussed primarily on ganking on the forums. And who may question the impact of ganking on the game when they are impacted by it. The truth in terms of this subject on this forum is what the people on these forums have decided is the truth, and any who questions that is driven off. It is not the truth. As for new posts on this subject, the majority of such posts are by alts of gankers who are so desperate for attention that they fake being victims so as to hyper ventilate at themselves. Take your comment about being 100% PvP area, that is demonstrably untrue, there are different levels of PvP, in nullsec you can use bubbles, in lowsec you cannot. In lowsec you get security hits. In Hisec there is Concord. Does that impact that 100% figure a bit? By the type of space you are in, it is not 100% PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/387 "2023-12-30T09:00:46Z")
Hey, when are you going to log in and show us what real, non-niche-PK-grief PvP looks like? ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/388 "2023-12-30T10:53:11Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I can explain this pretty easily, normal players are those that are not focussed primarily on ganking on the forums. sooo … youre not a normal player !? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > And who may question the impact of ganking on the game when they are impacted by it. you mean none influence at all ? maybe you educate yourself and see how many influence ganking has xD > [@Dracvlad](#): > > The truth in terms of this subject on this forum is what the people on these forums have decided is the truth, and any who questions that is driven off. It is not the truth. youre right … all the fanatic antigankers dont want to hear the truth and they only follow their own fanatic truth ! and they dont see they are completly wrong … > [@Dracvlad](#): > > As for new posts on this subject, the majority of such posts are by alts of gankers who are so desperate for attention that they fake being victims so as to hyper ventilate at themselves. this is a fact you need to proof xD > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Take your comment about being 100% PvP area, that is demonstrably untrue, and again youre completly wrong … ! > [@Dracvlad](#): > > there are different levels of PvP, in nullsec you can use bubbles, in lowsec you cannot. In lowsec you get security hits. In Hisec there is Concord. Does that impact that 100% figure a bit? By the type of space you are in, it is not 100% PvP. it is ! you fight other player then its called PvP ( Player vs Player ) the curcumstances are totaly ignorable … the important part is youre fighting against another player ! if you wanted it or you got forced doest matter either ! ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/389 "2023-12-30T12:11:26Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I can explain this pretty easily ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/f/2/7f2cff16eab0cbbd1e199897b23d78e148e0987b.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/390 "2023-12-30T13:33:45Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > As for new posts on this subject, the majority of such posts are by alts of gankers who are so desperate for attention that they fake being victims so as to hyper ventilate at themselves. That’s quite laughable, given that again and again and again I make the observation that some person whining about ganking has _never actually been ganked_…and indeed in many cases has zero killboard at all. Not just in one or two cases, but consistently. Most of the people whining about ganking do not appear to even play the game…or have not logged in for years. A large portion cannot provide any evidence that they have _ever_ undocked. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2023, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/391 "2023-12-30T18:00:29Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I can explain this pretty easily, normal players are those that are not focussed primarily on ganking on the forums. Then you are not a normal player? Because I only see you appearing in topics around ganking. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > And who may question the impact of ganking on the game when they are impacted by it. People can question all kind of things. A proper judgement however needs a) experience and b) knowledge (well and c) some brain capactilities, but lets leave that aside for now). Unfortunately 100% of the anti-ganking topics show that they have neither experience with ganking nor having any knowledge about the mechanics around it. And that means there ar basically two ways to deal with them: a) correct them, so they may learn and then correct their point of view and/or b) ignore them and let them cry all day long. However, most of the time if _experienced_ people are trying to correct them by _explaining_ all the mechanics needed to avoid a gank, those “poor victims” simply won’t listen. They don’t want to learn, they don’t want to gain knowledge and skills, they are completely convinced that there is a “problem” with the game that is unfairly treating them while they are doing _nothing wrong_. And thats just ridiculous. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > As for new posts on this subject, the majority of such posts are by alts of gankers who are so desperate for attention that they fake being victims so as to hyper ventilate at themselves. You don’t believe that nonsense yourself, do you? Gankers have nothing to gain from anti-ganking-topics, except they risk that at some point CCP _does_ act against ganking again if those topics come up too often. You simply can’t let all those nonsense and lies be spread unchallenged if you want to have your style of gameplay (aka highsec-piracy) staying in the game. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Take your comment about being 100% PvP area, that is demonstrably untrue, there are different levels of PvP, in nullsec you can use bubbles, in lowsec you cannot. In lowsec you get security hits. In Hisec there is Concord. Does that impact that 100% figure a bit? By the type of space you are in, it is not 100% PvP. Ehh, you contradict yourself already here. Different PvP mechanics are just _different_, not “less PvP”. The moment you undock _anywhere_, someone else can paint a crosshair onto you, just the rules of engagement change. So you simply lack basic logic here. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2023, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/392 "2023-12-31T08:45:11Z")
Over the years I had to stand up and put across a more nuanced view, and it was needed because bumping without time limit was outrageous. But I never described myself as a normal poster,. a) They have experience b) that too And what you say here is incorrect, anyone who has done PvP knows that having to be 12 km from a warpable object is actually suicide with the slow alignment, that jumping a gate into a large group of waiting attackers in a slow warping ship is suicide. Another account and awareness, enables you to dock up, log out and play another game. Of course I believe that, I have seen the most ridiculous posts by people pretending to be victims, who then magically do a 180 and praise ganking. So what is your definition of 100% PvP, because it is all based on the mechanics that enable people to catch someone. The logic is simple, as there are no bubbles then gates are less of a choke point so less PvP, people can warp to structures and stations unimpeded, so less PvP. Simple logic. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2023, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/393 "2023-12-31T09:00:09Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > that jumping a gate into a large group of waiting attackers in a slow warping ship is suicide. but hundrets of ppl do this all day and they survive oO how can they survive if you describe it as “suizide” ? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > So what is your definition of 100% PvP, there is nothing else then 100 % … it has only 2 states : true or false ! i its PvP then it means its 100% PvP and almost everthing in eve is PvP ! still if youre sitting in a barge and mine afk ! even if you are flying missions in HS ! even if you are selling at the market ! everything is conectet and if you do one action it has an impact to another action ! yes the impact is for some actions very small but still existing ! ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2024, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/394 "2024-01-01T14:54:22Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > However, most of the time if _experienced_ people are trying to correct them by _explaining_ all the mechanics needed to avoid a gank, those “poor victims” simply won’t listen. They don’t want to learn, they don’t want to gain knowledge and skills, they are completely convinced that there is a “problem” with the game that is unfairly treating them while they are doing _nothing wrong_. And thats just ridiculous. What is equally ridiculous is that most of those whining about ganking have never actually _been_ ganked, have no killboard indicating any gank, and in many cases no killboard whatever. There’s an army of alts, with zero indication that they have ever even undocked let alone been the ‘victim’ of anything…who just endlessly whine their ‘think of the poor noobs’ blurb. Never mind that CCPs own data shows that only 1% of brand new noobs are actually ganked. So what we really have is not a ganking problem, but something more akin to the newspaper that used to get lots of letters from ‘Disgusted, of Tunbridge Wells’ who simply _had_ to have something to whine about or their day was not complete. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2024, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/395 "2024-01-01T15:30:18Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > only 1% of brand new noobs are actually ganked What they don’t tell you is that it was noobs ganking other noobs; Zaera’s first gank being on day 1. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2024, 11:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/396 "2024-01-01T23:42:43Z")
I do love the effect of you posting on the forum’s, like you said gankers and ganker alts get triggered instantly. I miss the old days when we posted for the salt mountain on purpose, remember the time zone post and how some are lucky enough to be able to cover all zones hehe. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2024, 2:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/397 "2024-01-02T02:36:08Z")
Don’t believe you, pls log in and screen shot your first combat log. > [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Zaera’s first gank being on day 1. Ever Try being a Bounty Hunter? ![hold-my-beer](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/a/f/1afcf20dbee029584bb40087883319eb2c419ee6.jpeg) I miss doing good work like that for New Eden! ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2024, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/398 "2024-01-02T09:39:04Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > screen shot your first combat log. Combat logs dont go back that far sweetie. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2024, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/399 "2024-01-02T09:39:47Z")
I always found it funny that when I suggest improvements to the game with the intention to enable the victims to have more options and a fair chance to get away as a solo player, the gankers start screaming about ending ganking. That is a real salt mountain. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2024, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/400 "2024-01-02T09:41:58Z")
Calm down miner ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2024, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/401 "2024-01-02T09:42:34Z")
Salt eruption incoming, yay!!! ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2024, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/402 "2024-01-02T09:43:16Z")
He’s losing it. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2024, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/403 "2024-01-02T10:10:27Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > the gankers start screaming about ending ganking. That is a real salt mountain. I know , the last so called anti ganking change from CCP took away one of our most effective anti-ganking tools . The e-war burst . We had so few tools anyway and lost that ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2024, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/404 "2024-01-02T10:11:50Z")
What did they do to that? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2024, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-is-the-only-consistent-and-fair-content/425239/405 "2024-01-02T10:52:00Z")
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