# Ganking makes Eve a better place **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [June 25, 2021, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690 "2021-06-25T13:45:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/323 "2021-10-27T08:35:34Z")
Nah, we are gonna pass on your idea. Thanks for the suggestion! ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/324 "2021-10-27T08:58:30Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Also who the f is Cathy Neuman? Anyone? Bueller? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/325 "2021-10-27T09:34:14Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Forget it. > > They bring up something, and when you prove its wrong or they dont understand it, they say its irrelevent and off topic. > > They are unable to own their mistakes, and they transfer that onto the situation of ganker vs anyone else and claim its never the fault of someone being negligent that they lost their ship. > > Know what I think? No ship payouts on losses while afk for more than 10 minutes. > > Also, they said theyve never been ganked. > > So theres at least three people strutting around atm saying that ganking is both simultaneously too hard on new players and so easy to avoid its boring and people somehow dont see that as a total red light to how insipidly false their position is. > > Also who the f is Cathy Neuman? Preach it. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Jordan Peterson I knew you loved that tool. I knew it. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I have actually been ganked once now, which I admitted after it happened, but it was on my third string character and was an Assault Frigate, I then baited them with Dracvlad and made them lose their ships for nothing. I cry wolf. You did no such thing. You never even undocked in Uedama tonight and then gave false info LOL. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > As I keep pointing out the balance is almost there, just need a BS MWD on freighters as a fitting option, maybe the ability to fit an armour tank. So AG have something decent to rep. Another adjustment is to deal with loot scooping through a DST. > > But most of all make it so -10’s can’t dock in NPC stations in hisec so the butterfly effect can be applied to them in terms of their structures. > > Then the balance is there. Every single miner they killed tonight literally had no tank. Its balanced, they just don’t use it. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/326 "2021-10-27T12:51:06Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > She doesn’t understand. Hell if there are 5-6 skiffs, if they all fielded combat drones and were tanked to the gills, they potentially could win. But that would require them actually playing the game. Yet more comically simplistic answers. You DO know that for every mining drone fielded, it means one less combat drone can be ?? Every combat drone means more time mining…and thus more time open to ganking. I’ve never seen 5 - 6 skiffs in one asteroid belt. A lot of the time its just me on my own, or one or two other miners. The idea that they could all take on the gankers is just pure nonsense. Most have zero turret weapons…because the available turrets are being used for mining lasers. I’ve seen a few with combat drones…but the idea that 4 or 5 combat drones could lock onto and take down half a dozen Catalysts before they rain dps on some miner is just utter fantasy. But do keep the comedy coming ! ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/327 "2021-10-27T13:10:04Z")
But you deliberately avoid the bit where I point out in relation to Concord… “Their very existence and response time is factored in by gankers BEFORE they even do a gank. The very ships that gankers use are low cost and contain little ammo and shielding precisely BECAUSE Concord are going to show up.” Concord are PART of the action. They are not just a bunch of guys who ‘happen’ to show up by chance. Their very NPC existence is an intrinsic factor that gankers know about and PLAN for. To call that PvP is an insult to all those who, with genuine skill and tactics, take on other players in PvP with no NPC intervention or rescue. But clearly, gankers are not up to that and have to resort to pretending that a dozen Catalysts massacring a Procurer is ‘PvP’ and the gankers are heroes. Heck, we even have Aiko, above, bragging about zonking noobs in rookie space. Somehow I must have missed the handing out of the relevant PvP Medal Of Honour for the heroic bravery and skill. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/328 "2021-10-27T13:57:51Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > You DO know that for every mining drone fielded, it means one less combat drone can be You DO know that Skiffs can carry both, right? ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/329 "2021-10-27T14:10:20Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > You DO know that Skiffs can carry both, right? Sure, my Procurer has 5 hobgoblins and 5 mining drones in the drone bay. But I can only field 5 drones at a time. Ideally, one wants all 5 mining drones in action…I mean, that is what they are there for. The hobgoblins are primarily there for warding off rats…as I mine in 0.5 areas and so get the benefit of both mining and ratting at the same time. But with rats one has time to retrieve the mining drones and send out the hobgoblins. Retrieving mining drones and sending out combat drones simply isn’t practical in the time period that one has to respond to a ganker. And I doubt if even 5 combat drones are really going to make the slightest difference anyway if half a dozen Catalysts show up…so having some mixture of hobgoblins and mining drones is going to be even less effective. Generally, if I sense trouble then I’ve long since retrieved all drones and fled to whatever safe spot ( out of D Scan range ) I’ve created in that region. The last thing I’d do is warp to a stargate. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/330 "2021-10-27T14:14:21Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Generally, if I sense trouble then I’ve long since retrieved all drones and fled to whatever safe spot ( out of D Scan range ) I’ve created in that region. So why are you even talking about drones? You already know how to evade a gank, so you do that. I’ll tell you why, because you were responding to a person talking about baiting gankers into an ambush. IN that particular case they are using heavier more powerful drones and are in a fleet and are already launching them as tthe gankers are in bound. Thats a long way from 5 Hobs in a Proc. So before you accuse others of moving goal posts or creating strawmen, be aware of what you are saying too. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/331 "2021-10-27T14:23:31Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > So why are you even talking about drones? I wasn’t the one who introduced the ’ you can defend yourself with drones’ comment…that was Gix in direct response to me with the following statement… “She doesn’t understand. Hell if there are 5-6 skiffs, if they all fielded combat drones and were tanked to the gills, they potentially could win…” and no he wasn’t talking about some ‘baiting’ scenario that you just made up. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/332 "2021-10-27T14:32:20Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Retrieving mining drones and sending out combat drones simply isn’t practical in the time period that one has to respond to a ganker. Have you tried abandoning the mining drones instead of waiting for them to return? Then you can immediately launch the combat drones to fight off the attackers, which are right on top of your ship. So you have 0 drone travel time. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/333 "2021-10-27T14:34:50Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > I wasn’t the one who introduced the ’ you can defend yourself with drones’ comment I literally stated that, so thanks for repeating it > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > no he wasn’t talking about some ‘baiting’ scenario Thats exactly what he was talking about. Every single time someone points out how the miners win and the gankers lose, you attempt to claim its irrelevent. Its like you dont want anyone to think they can win against gankers. I wonder why that might be hmm. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/334 "2021-10-27T15:07:01Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I literally stated that, No you didn’t. You are starting to remind me of that infamous Monty Python sketch… Man: An argument isn’t just contradiction. Mr. Vibrating: It can be. Man: No it can’t. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition. Mr. Vibrating: No it isn’t. Man: Yes it is! It’s not just contradiction. Mr. Vibrating: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position. Man: Yes, but that’s not just saying ‘No it isn’t.’ Mr. Vibrating: Yes it is! Man: No it isn’t! Man: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes. _(short pause)_ Mr. Vibrating: No it isn’t. Man: It is. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/335 "2021-10-27T15:08:31Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > No you didn’t > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > you were responding to a person Now you are just lying. You now have zero credibility with anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/336 "2021-10-27T15:29:03Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Then you can immediately launch the combat drones to fight off the attackers, which are right on top of your ship. Yeah, like 6 catalysts with a collective DPS of 2,500 and who have planned it so they can take out a barge in under 15 seconds…are gonna be massacred by 5 Hobgoblins attacking them one at a time…lol. If the miner is lucky he might take out one Catalyst in that time…bearing in mind that the miner has to target all 6 and wait for a lock, whereas each of the Catalysts only has one lock to wait for. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/337 "2021-10-27T15:29:39Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > You now have zero credibility with anyone. I’d be seriously worried if I had credibility with you 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/338 "2021-10-27T15:59:51Z")
Thats fine by me, you are now in a club of two people on here whose words I ignore because they are nothing but disingenuous twaddle, lies and baseless insults vOv ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/339 "2021-10-27T16:29:51Z")
I am the other person, join the club. You are debating with a troll, but still I absolutely adored you using that Monty Python sketch as an example of their trolling technique, well played, well played indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/340 "2021-10-27T18:22:14Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Yeah, like 6 catalysts with a collective DPS of 2,500 and who have planned it so they can take out a barge in under 15 seconds…are gonna be massacred by 5 Hobgoblins attacking them one at a time…lol. > If the miner is lucky he might take out one Catalyst in that time…bearing in mind that the miner has to target all 6 and wait for a lock, whereas each of the Catalysts only has one lock to wait for. Okay, you can indeed choose to not warp away in time and to not fight back as it is all futile, and let them kill you. I gave you advice on how to solve one of your problems of why you couldn’t fight back. You ignored the advice and respond with what can be transcribed to ‘but I cannot fight back anyway’. Question: do you actually _want_ to fight back and does it help when we give advice on how to do so, or do you just want ganking to be nerfed to the point that you as possible gank victim don’t have to do anything beyond the bare minimum to survive? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/341 "2021-10-27T19:09:24Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Yet more comically simplistic answers. > > You DO know that for every mining drone fielded, it means one less combat drone can be ?? Every combat drone means more time mining…and thus more time open to ganking. > > I’ve never seen 5 - 6 skiffs in one asteroid belt. A lot of the time its just me on my own, or one or two other miners. The idea that they could all take on the gankers is just pure nonsense. Most have zero turret weapons…because the available turrets are being used for mining lasers. I’ve seen a few with combat drones…but the idea that 4 or 5 combat drones could lock onto and take down half a dozen Catalysts before they rain dps on some miner is just utter fantasy. > > But do keep the comedy coming ! Its almost like skiffs have bigger drone bays and can hold combat as well as mining drones. Huh. Its almost like you have to accept risk if you operate solo or small, knowing that there are big fish out in the waters. Huh. Its almost like miners should also train drone combat skills and other fitting skills to field a tank. Huh. Its almost like the proc/skiff has a drone combat role bonus. Huh. So strange amirite? > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > To call that PvP is an insult to all those who, with genuine skill and tactics, take on other players in PvP with no NPC intervention or rescue. But clearly, gankers are not up to that and have to resort to pretending that a dozen Catalysts massacring a Procurer is ‘PvP’ and the gankers are heroes. You’ve displayed no knowledge of PvP in this thread 😃 Certainly not tactics. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Sure, my Procurer has 5 hobgoblins and 5 mining drones in the drone bay. But I can only field 5 drones at a time. Ideally, one wants all 5 mining drones in action…I mean, that is what they are there for. The hobgoblins are primarily there for warding off rats…as I mine in 0.5 areas and so get the benefit of both mining and ratting at the same time. But with rats one has time to retrieve the mining drones and send out the hobgoblins. > > Retrieving mining drones and sending out combat drones simply isn’t practical in the time period that one has to respond to a ganker. And I doubt if even 5 combat drones are really going to make the slightest difference anyway if half a dozen Catalysts show up…so having some mixture of hobgoblins and mining drones is going to be even less effective. > > Generally, if I sense trouble then I’ve long since retrieved all drones and fled to whatever safe spot ( out of D Scan range ) I’ve created in that region. The last thing I’d do is warp to a stargate. Its almost like they have to keep an eye on local and then make a tactical decision based upon how many people have jumped in to fight or flight. Huh. Its almost like you admit that you have to play the game and watch local to stay safe. Huh. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > I wasn’t the one who introduced the ’ you can defend yourself with drones’ comment…that was Gix in direct response to me with the following statement… > > “She doesn’t understand. Hell if there are 5-6 skiffs, if they all fielded combat drones and were tanked to the gills, they potentially could win…” > > and no he wasn’t talking about some ‘baiting’ scenario that you just made up. Oh no, it is def a bait situation and just generally smart to field the most tank/drones you can. If its 4 catas, they gotta pump out enough DPS to chew thru a skiff with 80ishk EHP in less than 19 seconds. If all the skiffs/orca/porps focus fire their drones on one cata at a time, it’ll pop said cata thus removing their DPS. As the DPS drops, the chance of successful gank goes way down, esp if the porp/orca is smart and packs some shield boosts. I realize you don’t actually PvP, so I understand why you don’t grasp the tactics of this situation. I find most people against ganking are not good at PvP at all. I was gonna post a whole thread about it and tips in how to actually combat ganking effectively. But honestly? Ya’ll don’t deserve it. You do the bare minimum and expect it to have you survive. Death is a friend, and he always finds you and its always your fault. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Yeah, like 6 catalysts with a collective DPS of 2,500 and who have planned it so they can take out a barge in under 15 seconds…are gonna be massacred by 5 Hobgoblins attacking them one at a time…lol. > If the miner is lucky he might take out one Catalyst in that time…bearing in mind that the miner has to target all 6 and wait for a lock, whereas each of the Catalysts only has one lock to wait for. Its almost like you shouldn’t mine at the warp in point so when they warp in you have time to target as they burn toward you and if you’ve decided to fight you should have already recalled mining drones and pooped out combat drones. Huh. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/342 "2021-10-27T19:09:50Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Concord are PART of the action. They are not just a bunch of guys who ‘happen’ to show up by chance. Their very NPC existence is an intrinsic factor that gankers know about and PLAN for. > > To call that PvP is an insult to all those who, with genuine skill and tactics Where did anyone call CONCORD destroying gankers ships, PvP? However, to go a step back, before CONCORD arrive on the scene; to the initial enagagement that triggered CONCORD, if you want to claim that isn’t PvP, then miners are really nothing more than NPC. In that case, if gankers are just killing NPC, what’s your problem? That’s no different to many other playstyles that kill dirty rats. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690.md?page=16) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690.md?page=18)