# Ganking makes Eve a better place **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [June 25, 2021, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690 "2021-06-25T13:45:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/543 "2021-12-23T18:23:43Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > So the very ship that sets up the gank in the first place is doing so right under the nose of Concord, protected by them. CONCORD doesn’t protect. It’s a retribution force. No ganker, loot ship, scout or scanning ship used by gankers has any protection from CONCORD. Go shoot them if you want to deal with them. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/544 "2021-12-23T18:24:50Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > You are protected from proactive action to prevent the gank…as Concord will zap anyone who attacks you > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > You are protected by Concord. You don’t make any distinction between the gankers; you simply wave your arm and include everyone in your baseless assumption, Cilla. 'Tis the Season, so I’ll be charitable and leave it there. ---
**Author:** ![Landeskog\_Salvo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/landeskog_salvo/32/387471_2.png) [@Landeskog\_Salvo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Landeskog_Salvo)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/545 "2021-12-23T22:02:11Z")
Sure, but at least it would be fun and you can at least fight back… That’s better than the current gameplay loop. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/546 "2021-12-23T23:49:26Z")
A fun way to introduce more active gameplay into the ganking loop is to add a button for players to summon CONCORD. If they don’t press the button, then CONCORD won’t intervene in a fight, and the players can fight it out. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 1:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/547 "2021-12-24T01:08:48Z")
> [@Landeskog\_Salvo](#): > > Sure, but at least it would be fun and you can at least fight back… That’s better than the current gameplay loop. You say that, but the moment CCP adds it into the game and you still get ganked you’d be crying for more nerfs. It’s never ending with players like you. It’s a disease I think? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 2:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/548 "2021-12-24T02:40:04Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > What’s more, even if most of the ganker ships themselves were -10…my assertion that Concord protects the gankers would still be true in that scouts and loot retrieval ships would not be. So the very ship that sets up the gank in the first place is doing so right under the nose of Concord, protected by them. As CONCORD protects all unless they commit a criminal act. Can’t have it both ways 😃 Honestly your crying entertains at least. You quafepost with this alt and then hide her in .9/1.0 systems 😃 What I find just deliciously funny is you’ll talk all this yang about gankers but do absolutely nothing in game about them. Furthermore, you’ll watch your fellow wildebeest get ganked and profit it from it, since then you can keep on mining. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 6:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/549 "2021-12-24T06:37:04Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > There’s a local ganker near my home base who has ganked twice in the past few weeks, yet his security status is still above 0. Concord Tags allow a player to repair their standing back to 0 and then a few missions would bring it above. / > [@Landeskog\_Salvo](#): > > Sure, but at least it would be fun and you can at least fight back… That’s better than the current gameplay loop. A cloaked alt (decoy) (something that you will lose if when suspect standing by fitted with ecm could save a Barge. (then repair status if needed. Fighting back could be as simple as watching local. Or work out the risk vs reward and play accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 7:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/550 "2021-12-24T07:30:04Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Honestly your crying entertains at least. Er…no, you missed the bit where _I’m_ the one doing the mocking and laughing. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/551 "2021-12-24T09:50:51Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Er…no, you missed the bit where _I’m_ the one doing the mocking and laughing. Not really. You infantilize your fellow miners and dodge replying to posts that shred your narrative. You’ve already admitted ganking isn’t a problem because you follow SOPs as others have suggested. You are just self owning at this point 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Landeskog\_Salvo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/landeskog_salvo/32/387471_2.png) [@Landeskog\_Salvo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Landeskog_Salvo)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/552 "2021-12-25T17:36:06Z")
Boy you’re sensitive It would be cool to have broadsiding Haulers. ---
**Author:** ![Landeskog\_Salvo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/landeskog_salvo/32/387471_2.png) [@Landeskog\_Salvo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Landeskog_Salvo)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/553 "2021-12-25T17:38:46Z")
I mean if I am an avid PVPer in EVE I would want the Hauler/Miner to have weapons to fight me back. It just sounds cooler the idea of an armed hauler no easy prey ETC. The current game play loop of Maybe escape is just o so boring for everyone involved I would imagine. ---
**Author:** ![Landeskog\_Salvo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/landeskog_salvo/32/387471_2.png) [@Landeskog\_Salvo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Landeskog_Salvo)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/554 "2021-12-25T17:39:37Z")
I like that sort of a I am outmatched Panic button so to speak ? ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/555 "2021-12-25T18:39:20Z")
See my response to your other post [here](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/topic/332647/275). You probably shouldn’t cross-post, but wth… ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2021, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/556 "2021-12-29T05:03:51Z")
> [@Landeskog\_Salvo](#): > > I mean if I am an avid PVPer in EVE I would want the Hauler/Miner to have weapons to fight me back. It just sounds cooler the idea of an armed hauler no easy prey ETC. Avid PvPers aren’t in hisec worrying about haulers at all. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2021, 6:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/557 "2021-12-29T06:00:32Z")
Hisec sees lots of destruction. In fact without looking at Zkill right now I’d wager that there’s more pvp in Highsec than in lowsec 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2021, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/558 "2021-12-29T15:34:30Z")
> [@Landeskog\_Salvo](#): > > I mean if I am an avid PVPer in EVE I would want the Hauler/Miner to have weapons to fight me back. It just sounds cooler the idea of an armed hauler no easy prey ETC. Guns to fight back isn’t what makes catching haulers fun, the fact that they have all those methods to avoid you yet still get caught is what makes it fun. My group once caught a blockade runner, which are generally considered uncatchable if piloted well, especially after the nullification changes. At first we were confused, how did we manage to catch this? How did that guy not warp out of the bubble? He was active and had a nullification module in the highs. Turned out the blockade runner pilot also had an ECM module equipped, which negated his nullification module. 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2021, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/559 "2021-12-29T16:24:09Z")
Yeah there are tons of ganks and war decs in hi sec, along with the majority of players. However, people who actually seek out pvp are not in hi sec looking for haulers. And if you have guns in a hauler in low or null, it’s still dying immediately when it gets caught. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2022, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/560 "2022-01-10T21:08:55Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > You’ve already admitted ganking isn’t a proble I’ve never said ganking wasn’t a problem. What I’ve said is your ‘solutions’ are simplistic and no two situations are ever exactly the same. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2022, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/561 "2022-01-10T23:16:11Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > I’ve never said ganking wasn’t a problem. What I’ve said is your ‘solutions’ are simplistic and no two situations are ever exactly the same. LOL since when has simple been bad? You aren’t even trying anymore huh 😃 No two situations are the same? Bruv, if they jump into local, HTFU. Its pretty simple. Literally just watching local will save you most if not all of the time unless you get caught out. LOL, try WH life for a bit. Then you’ll see exactly how much you’ve come to depend on local and you don’t even know it. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/562 "2022-01-11T00:44:43Z")
Someone told me that there is NO CONCORD outside of Highsec? So I could gank a target, and warp away, with my ship intact??? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690.md?page=27) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690.md?page=29)