# Ganking makes Eve a better place **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [June 25, 2021, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690 "2021-06-25T13:45:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/643 "2022-03-14T01:14:38Z")
> [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > more words but didn’t add anything. Way to internet I guess. Your good at that as well I see. Trolls, so easy to sucker in. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 1:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/644 "2022-03-14T01:24:55Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > No…I think he’s just curious as to why I’ve been back and forth a dozen times, probably scanning my cargo of fittings for my latest ship. He follows me several systems. No one is gonna waste a slot on a hecate for ship scanning. And no one is def gonna waste a hecate in a gank LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/645 "2022-03-14T01:25:56Z")
@MB_ThePhotographer i am so confused by this interaction. However, momma didn’t raise a quitter so I’m gonna get to the bottom of it using some context clues. Let’s see what we know so far: 1. I don’t think I’ve ever had a conversation with, about, or even near you. 2. I was in no way talking to you, or referencing anything that had anything to do with you. 3. I was speaking to @Destiny_Corrupted about a very humorous exchange she had had with a really interesting poster who was determined to kick her out of the game 4. This for some reason upset you to the point you needed to look up my character history and level the accurate charge that it was created in 2020. 5. Based on your demeanor, you seem to consider this some kind of insult and a great win for your belief system. I got to be honest, this recap did not help me understand exactly what got you worked up. However, you seem very pleased with the result, so congratulations I guess? ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/646 "2022-03-14T01:49:08Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > So if you have a clone listed in Oipo, and a clone listed in Dodixie, and you jump to Dodixie from Oipo, your active body becomes a _second_ clone in Oipo, and the clone in Dodixie becomes your active body. The clone list then lists _two clones in Oipo_…and none in Dodixie. This means if I take a shuttle to Amarr…I cannot clone jump back to Dodixie because I wont have a clone listed there even though it is one of my 4 clone sites, as that clone slot now says ‘clone in Oipo’. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 1:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/647 "2022-03-14T01:55:51Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > No one is gonna waste a slot on a hecate for ship scanning. > > And no one is def gonna waste a hecate in a gank LOL. He followed me back and forth between Isanamo and Oipo several times. No, I didn’t think he was going to gank me…but he sure was curious where I was going. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 2:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/648 "2022-03-14T02:22:41Z")
> [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > I don’t think I’ve ever had a conversation with, about, or even near you. This is true and I hold no grudges on the forum. > [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > - I was in no way talking to you, or referencing anything that had anything to do with you. You post on the forums. Were all fair game. > [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > I was speaking to @Destiny_Corrupted about a very humorous exchange she had had with a really interesting poster who was determined to kick her out of the game Sorry, that was the part I missed. > [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > he ruthlessly forced you from the game. Trust me, no one will drive DC outta the game! 😉 > [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > This for some reason upset you to the point you needed to look up my character history and level the accurate charge that it was created in 2020. Know your enema. > [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > Based on your demeanor, you seem to consider this some kind of insult and a great win for your belief system. Not an insult, just a lack of knowledge on your part. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 2:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/649 "2022-03-14T02:30:00Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Not an insult, just a lack of knowledge on your part. Alright, alright, making progress. Which part was I lacking knowledge in? Let’s fill some knowledge gaps! And please tell me it wasn’t the part where I talked about some nutcase forcing Destiny out of the game with long winded threats. If I could have saved this whole exchange with a simple /s I’m gonna be real annoyed with myself ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 2:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/650 "2022-03-14T02:32:41Z")
> [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > If I could have saved this whole exchange with a simple /s I’m gonna be real annoyed with myself Now that’s an attitude I can respect! ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/651 "2022-03-14T18:37:14Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Trolls, so easy to sucker in What’s a troll? ---
**Author:** ![Alfonzor\_Dilapidus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alfonzor_dilapidus/32/395834_2.png) [@Alfonzor\_Dilapidus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alfonzor_Dilapidus)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/653 "2022-04-01T15:29:31Z")
I’m generally fine with ganking, but it has always bugged me that one of the counters that is pushed frequently by gankers is to haul less valuable stuff. Think about what that means for players at advanced stages of a hauling career- it means adding potentially many hours a week of just clicking to warp to the next gate to their gameplay… IMO counters we rely on for balance should never come in the form of “do a really boring thing for a really long time.” ---
**Author:** ![Leggone\_Stracks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leggone_stracks/32/290900_2.png) [@Leggone\_Stracks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leggone_Stracks)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/654 "2022-04-01T15:40:47Z")
My bowhead is unusable. Meh. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/655 "2022-04-01T15:58:27Z")
My Bowhead has over 800,000 EHP and is very much usable. ---
**Author:** ![Leggone\_Stracks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leggone_stracks/32/290900_2.png) [@Leggone\_Stracks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leggone_Stracks)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/656 "2022-04-01T16:18:47Z")
Oh great. Now you’re going to make me go and check my fit. And part of it’s loss of use is the #$^&#$& Trig system thefts. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/657 "2022-04-01T16:28:28Z")
Where are you trying to take it? I don’t think there are any Trig minor victory systems on the Amarr \<-\> Jita pipe, just some Edencom systems. ---
**Author:** ![Leggone\_Stracks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leggone_stracks/32/290900_2.png) [@Leggone\_Stracks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leggone_Stracks)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/658 "2022-04-01T16:48:16Z")
I’m not taking the 45 jump hisec grand tour. Good heavens. But to be fair, with a bit of paranoia I could get the bowhead through Ahbazon, I guess. It surprises me how few gate camps I’ve seen in there when I clky/mwd through. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/659 "2022-04-01T18:07:51Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > My Bowhead has over 800,000 EHP and is very much usable. Oh…wow…I’m thinking how nice it would be just to park one like that at the Sivala/Uedama gate 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/660 "2022-04-01T18:44:31Z")
> [@Alfonzor\_Dilapidus](#): > > Think about what that means for players at advanced stages of a hauling career- Hardly in advanced stage of their hauling career if they can’t figure out how to get their expensive stuff through gank central. Don’t fly what you are too dumb to fly as a famous wise woman once said. Actually do fly it as the loot much appreciated. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/0/e/a0eb53a275896bad06c433073d4de7938f23663a.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Leggone\_Stracks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leggone_stracks/32/290900_2.png) [@Leggone\_Stracks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leggone_Stracks)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/661 "2022-04-01T18:51:32Z")
Somebody do the catalyst math. Or maybe tornados. I’m too dumb, lazy, and ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![Alfonzor\_Dilapidus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alfonzor_dilapidus/32/395834_2.png) [@Alfonzor\_Dilapidus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alfonzor_Dilapidus)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/662 "2022-04-01T19:13:46Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > > [@Alfonzor\_Dilapidus](#): > > > > Think about what that means for players at advanced stages of a hauling career- > > Hardly in advanced stage of their hauling career if they can’t figure out how to get their expensive stuff through gank central. Don’t fly what you are too dumb to fly as a famous wise woman once said. Actually do fly it as the loot much appreciated. No, no. I’m saying that there are counters to ganking, but “don’t ship expensive stuff” isn’t a good one to rely on when assessing balance IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/663 "2022-04-01T20:17:57Z")
Of course it is. Why wouldn’t it be? Break your shipments up into smaller pieces to minimize losses. Actually tank your hauler. Keep a weather eye on AG intel and jump right as a gank is going down. There are so many ways to do it and reduce the risk. You’re just lazy bruv. Be honest about it. High security isn’t total security. If you decide to haul 4 bil worth of stuff in an untanked t1 indy thru Uedama, you deserve all the death that is coming your way. Don’t like it? HTFU 😃 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690.md?page=32) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690.md?page=34)