# Ganking makes Eve a better place **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [June 25, 2021, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690 "2021-06-25T13:45:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2021, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/62 "2021-07-13T18:41:57Z")
Get as a ship that can use an interdiction nulifier or fly a shuttle which is immune as a scout ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 2:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/63 "2021-07-20T02:56:45Z")
When I was very new I discovered that if I flew my Venture very carefully I could get an Orca to spin. I was thrilled and the person I was doing this to developed a blood pressure problem when I discovered how much fun it was and couldn’t make my self stop. This was around the same time I discovered that flying full speed into the sun caused me to bounce off like I had hit a pillow. That was somewhat less thrilling. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 2:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/64 "2021-07-20T02:57:51Z")
I do my own thing mostly by my self and it works ok, I don’t see the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 3:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/65 "2021-07-20T03:12:33Z")
The only problem, if there is any, is that isolationist players have a low retention rate (you being the exception of course). Sensible people don’t have a problem with players doing their own thing. You do you. The problem occurs when people want the game changed to further enable isolationist gameplay. Aside from fundamentally breaking the core nature of eve (risk/reward, fulltime pvp and player driven market) It’s also designing a game to have even worse retention. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 3:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/66 "2021-07-20T03:20:16Z")
That makes complete sense actually. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 6:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/67 "2021-07-20T06:41:29Z")
So why was this thread not merged with the “Nerf Ganking Megathread”? Oh, that’s right. 🐂 💩 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/68 "2021-07-20T06:48:27Z")
Stop crying. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/69 "2021-07-20T07:14:53Z")
I had thought the data that they have access suggests that ganking retains a Capsuleer longer and that they would purchase plex to seek revenge. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/70 "2021-07-20T07:22:29Z")
> [@Von\_DeMoreno](#): > > I appreciate the useful tips. I don’t understand the ganking mentality–the “why” behind it– Visit here to get some info as to the vital question of why. Especially the last part of the second post clarifies motives: > [@Understanding and Dealing with Ganks and Gankers](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273): > > This post and thread have 2 purposes: Mainly to support gank victims in the aftermath of getting ganked, with positive input and advice. As such, I hope it will be linked to victims who need it. NOTE: I will report harassment, stalking, trolling and off topic trash in this thread, as useless as it may be to do so. To pilots reporting their gank here, be warned. There are those who will ignore the thread purpose and grief you! Secondarily to be a guide for new pilots so they understa… This game, and forum too, have a serious issue regarding informed consent with regard to sadistic and predatory practices. ---
**Author:** ![Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pozdro_tubylcy/32/265318_2.png) [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pozdro_Tubylcy)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/71 "2021-07-20T08:05:09Z")
Ganking makes Eve a stupider place… ---
**Author:** ![Natalie\_Patrovita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natalie_patrovita/32/253528_2.png) [@Natalie\_Patrovita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natalie_Patrovita)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/72 "2021-07-20T10:03:42Z")
Ganking makes EVE a cruel place. There is no playing EVE to get away from the cruelty of the real world, if anything, it brings it in sharp relief. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/73 "2021-07-20T10:39:48Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > I had thought the data that they have access suggests that ganking retains a Capsuleer longer and that they would purchase plex to seek revenge. It saw that players that were killed illegally had stayed with the game longer in 2015. And since then they also saw that players that had support after their first ship loss stayed longer. And _that_ might have inspired the idea behind the plex offer showing after death. ---
**Author:** ![State\_Soldier\_1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/state_soldier_1/32/336854_2.png) [@State\_Soldier\_1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/State_Soldier_1)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/75 "2021-07-20T17:53:41Z")
This goes against every trash word you posted. > **[Charon | Oa AbreueLima | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/94000806/)** > > Oa AbreueLima (PulaLeeroy Br) lost their Charon in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by Ganky (Dolphins Are Women Too) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 3,346,194,406.62 ISK Thats 64 involved parties. Ganking is way out of control. Uedema might as well be nullsec. And heres mine > **[Badger | Homeland3r | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/94020715/)** > > Homeland3r (Lonetrek Beltalowda) lost their Badger in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by Cute Gank (New Order Mining Authority) flying in a Thrasher. Total Value: 74,517,568.39 ISK Thats a proper lowsec fit which I used to collect loot from my main actually pvping. these dumb asses loss money killing me. There is no point to ganking other than griefing people. If it was only about isk then my mail wouldnt be spammed and convo’d with trash talk attemping to get salt. My killboard is way sexier than any of you scrubs ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/76 "2021-07-20T18:13:37Z")
That’s great and all, but the person I was responding to wasn’t talking about ganking; they were talking about bumping, specifically about ice farmers messing with each other by bumping each other’s ships. My point was that bumping is the only tool they had to interfere with each other, because they’re war-immune, and it’s impractical for them to gank each other because they’re ice farmers and not ganking groups, so they’re not going to field dozens of Catalysts in order to pop each other’s Orcas. Sounds like you didn’t even bother reading our posts in your frothy-mouthed, face-rolling-on-keyboard catatonic rage tantrum triggered by the uncontrolled desire to “sock it to them griefers.” ---
**Author:** ![State\_Soldier\_1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/state_soldier_1/32/336854_2.png) [@State\_Soldier\_1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/State_Soldier_1)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/77 "2021-07-20T18:20:07Z")
No i didn’t. Its just well dialoged trash… ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/78 "2021-07-20T18:25:04Z")
Damn bro, your superior skills as an EVE player (and human being in general) have sure showed me. I feel so bad now, as if a **real man** has squashed and embarrassed me in front of everyone, and taken away my pride. I’m going to go write about it in my diary now, and curse the gods for making me so pathetic. Maybe, just _maybe_, one day I can be like you, and have, um…2 total kills and 40 losses on my kill board, so that I can brag about my achievements just like you do, and get all the fame and forum likes that I could ever desire. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/79 "2021-07-20T18:50:57Z")
> [@State\_Soldier\_1](#): > > Uedema might as well be nullsec. It’s a big change, but I support it. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/80 "2021-07-20T18:51:18Z")
Would the same sort of data 2020 - 2021 indicate that this is still the case, do you feel that we as a people had changed to a more carebear attitude when it comes to ganking new players? You know how seeing that we are all going through a pandemic and many might be on the edge of reaching max tension in our lives etc. ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/81 "2021-07-20T19:05:18Z")
> [@State\_Soldier\_1](#): > > Thats a proper lowsec fit which I used to collect loot from my main actually pvping. these dumb asses loss money killing me. you dropped 35 million isk ? the gankers ships were likely a lot less than 10 mill. They made a profit \o/ ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2021, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690/82 "2021-07-20T20:19:33Z")
> [@State\_Soldier\_1](#): > > Uedema might as well be nullsec Is why eve is so great. > [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Would the same sort of data 2020 - 2021 indicate that this is still the case, do you feel that we as a people had changed to a more carebear attitude when it comes to ganking new players? The perception likely does change overtime, but this way or that way no one knows except maybe CCP if they look at it every year. They have no obligation to keep us in the loop though. I feel the game is more carebeary yes. But not with regards to new players. New players are (mostly) a blank slate. If you told them that eve is hell and prepare for the worst, then that’s what they would do. More that some dishonest players will try to use the ganking of new players to push their agenda. And CCP don’t explain eve’s fulltime PvP nature as well as they used to. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-makes-eve-a-better-place/317690.md?page=5)