# Ganking, or rather the Right to Gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [September 7, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482 "2018-09-07T13:45:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/282 "2018-09-24T19:37:22Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > ■■■■, if there were more ganking groups around I can totally picture them going around and essentially stealing gangs Grow one yourself. _(that comes across as rude or unfriendly, was not meant that way)_ ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/283 "2018-09-24T19:58:38Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Not necessarily. A lot of people don’t want easy, plus the end goal of gankers tends to be different from other players. The reality is though that you can start a new character and in a few weeks be up to a stage where you can fairly reliably solo gank. I’m pretty sure you can even get an alpha gate ganking so you don;t even need to pay a sub to do it. I think that being able to gank soon after starting as an alpha is a good thing. It gives new players an opportunity to try it instead of feeling pressured to buy injectors or wait a very long time to experience this gameplay. If you are ganking with an alpha you’re gonna have to have more than just you there to scout / scoop, which is fine. Eve is a social game and having to rely on others is good too. There’s nothing wrong with a new player getting into an alpha and having some autopiloting idiot basically give him a pile of Skill Injectors. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You shouldn’t look at ISK at all, since the motivation of most gankers is not ISK. You wouldn’t look at the ISK income for solo PvPers in lowsec either because it’s not the goal. What gankers gain is the “tears” which they are so desperate to get to make up for whatever shortcoming it is they have. I don’t think it’s fair you categorize all gankers like that. Unless you’re being funded from other activities then you have to make profit otherwise it’s non a self-sustaining activity. No one wants to have to supplement their ganking income with ratting or mining. That just sounds terrible. You are also being misleading as if almost any other activity in eve isn’t enhanced by tears. Take a look at Reddit and half the posts you read are some kind of brag post where they are displaying someone else’s tears as part of their victory. Tears are a secondary part of ganking. You’re likely to get them even if you don’t say a thing to your victim just because of how much people hate getting beat / bested. I will admit that there are those that go out of their way to provoke or extract tears, but that’s just part of the game to be honest. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It always seems like every other gameplay style can be messed about with as much as they want, but because ganking is a gameplay style that independently emerged it should be exempt from change. I don’t accept that. I don’t think that gankers think they are immune or should be immune to unfavorable changes. No one at all likes or enjoys changes that kill or hinder an activity that they do. There have been a lot of activities that have been killed off or completely defaced, and a lot of the times it’s done in the name of a section of the game that wants to see their gameplay less effected by other players. I have been reading the same arguments and rebuttals since 2015 and that’s only when I started paying attention. Go read the player ideas and features sub-forum and unless you’re just as ignorant, you will see that 90% of them are utter trash that goes against what this game **should** be or is. Lots of half-assed ideas and those people just can’t comprehend cause and effect enough to see how their “simple and quick fix” completely changes everything. So it’s not that no one at all wants to see change. It’s that #1 I don’t trust CCP to change things without completely ■■■■■■■ up (see the almost pushed through HIC changes) and #2 I don’t trust the random players insight on what a good ■■■■■■■ idea for a change to ganking is. Everyone is in self-preservation mode here, not just gankers. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I honestly think there should be skills and items geared around ganking and better ways to measure success. I strongly disagree. It’s an emergent style of gameplay and I appreciate that. The last thing we need to put on CCPs overflowing plate is more skills and modules to “balance”. Imagine with me for a second a ganking module or skill that is so utterly broken that even gankers are saying so. Imagine being stuck with that for 6 months to a year. See where I’m going? > [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > Grow one yourself. > > _(that comes across as rude or unfriendly, was not meant that way)_ I’ve slowly been working on my own personal gank fleet, but I tend to lack the dedication and willpower to keep up with it all. I have a total of like 60-something accounts and it’s a lot to deal with. A lot of the time I forget or dread having to manage it. ☹ That said I have no desire to lead a group like that. I would rather do it myself or with a small group of 1-2 people. I find my playtime is too weird for a schedule. —— My biggest problem is all this woh the discussion of ganking changes is that I feel like the other side of this argument doesn’t deserve it. I don’t feel sorry for idiots over stuffing their freighters, ignoring advice and resources, and then playing the victim. Take some responsibility for what you’re doing and the situation you’re creating, then I will concede in thinking that you deserve a second of CCPs seemingly rare and valuable dev time. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/284 "2018-09-24T20:05:26Z")
You need a group? Join Mine. Btw, was talking about real people. Multiboxing ganking in masses is only going to make our situation much worse, instead of much better. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/285 "2018-09-24T20:07:49Z")
damn. wrong window. : - ) ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/286 "2018-09-24T20:11:44Z")
Wow three people are typing! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/287 "2018-09-24T20:15:20Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Another bait post from Dom Arkaral 🙄 Another attempt at deflecting through baseless accusations Does it hurt being wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/289 "2018-09-24T20:21:03Z")
I’m currently not focused on ganking. Thanks for the offer. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/290 "2018-09-24T20:22:34Z")
> [@Faylee\_Freir](#): > > My biggest problem is all this woh the discussion of ganking changes is that I feel like the other side of this argument doesn’t deserve it. I don’t feel sorry for idiots over stuffing their freighters, ignoring advice and resources, and then playing the victim. Take some responsibility for what you’re doing and the situation you’re creating, then I will concede in thinking that you deserve a second of CCPs seemingly rare and valuable dev time. My biggest problem with all is that most of the complaining and cries that the game is broken flow directly from someone losing something in game. They aren’t rational or considered ideas on how to improve the game, but reaction to loss, loss that is 100% intended to take place in Eve. Sure, the suicide ganking mechanics aren’t perfect, just like the nullsec sov mechanics, or wardec mechanics have problems. But they aren’t broken because it is possible for another player or group to dunk you or your group, or do that and laugh about it. Highsec is unequivocally not suppose to be safe, and other players are supposed to be able to beat you and celebrate their victory. CCP could spend a year of development time, come up with a near perfect highsec criminal system, and most of the same complains about how the game is unfair or too hard for the poor new players would be on the forums the next day. Most people are not complaining about the mechanics - they are complaining that it is possible to lose at all, yet that possibility is the entire point of a competitive game like Eve. That said, I’d love CCP to take a crack at that. I think there must be a better system out there that allows escalation and more meaningful interactions shaped by player choices. But whatever form this hypothetical new crime system takes, it will still allow the strong to prey on the weak and ignorant and take their stuff, and even for tears to be extracted if that is someone’s thing. That’s just how a competitive game works. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/291 "2018-09-24T20:26:25Z")
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**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/292 "2018-09-24T20:27:57Z")
Dracvladbot.Exe has stopped working Meanwhile freighters die to their own stupidity ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/293 "2018-09-24T20:28:51Z")
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**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/294 "2018-09-24T20:33:08Z")
What’s with all the removed posts? Too agitated to decide what type of insult you’ll throw at me? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/295 "2018-09-24T20:33:43Z")
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**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/297 "2018-09-24T20:36:45Z")
I only saw one, where he called you out as someone else. He’s right with deleting his garbage, whatever it was. Aaand I thought I was replying to FF. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/299 "2018-09-24T20:38:14Z")
And now he wrote “Another bait post by Sol 🙄” and deleted it immediately. Drac … don’t you realise how you’re a slave to your own instincts … … just to realise what you’re doing a second later? Step away from the computer. It’s the **only** sane thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/300 "2018-09-24T20:39:02Z")
> [@Annah\_Tsero](#): > > Too agitated to decide what type of insult you’ll throw at me? Maybe, finally, he starts realising. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/301 "2018-09-24T20:39:35Z")
You love projecting your own issues on others 🙄 I am not you, so your advise does not apply to me. In any case you have had your own issues with Dom. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/302 "2018-09-24T20:40:45Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I picked up on a number of people who bla bla bla… Ok again: There are already Citadels in use and there are systems without NPC station where the situation is exactly as it would be when we lose access to NPC stations. Yet no one is attacking them. No one. And no one cares why you are not shooting them, no one asked about that. It was about people in ag and in highsec. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > It is supposed to affect all gankers, more skin in the game, though in effect loot scoopers would not have too much of an issue, just the ones who do the shooting, again lets see how it pans out. It will mainly affect lowsec and FW, but yeah lets ignore them and nerf the 4 guys who gank freighters 👍 > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I never said that, I never raised that and I told you straight that it was down to the player running the citadels who he excluded or not. As far as I am concerned all citadels should default to open to all. It is a non-issue, something only a clown would raise. Yes you didn’t, but others did. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Understood but still we are talking about the ones who are -10 and shoot. What has that to do with the logistics? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Yes, it makes it stale and boring and too controlled and predictable. For whom and compared to what? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Hmm lets move something large like a Fort or a Keepstar…, though I do feel that they deserve a protection fleet with anti-Bumper Talos to do the business… Yeah congratulations on that. Everything else can be moved with other ships. The Freighter is the lazy default option and it has few weaknesses in highsec other than bumps. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/303 "2018-09-24T20:43:10Z")
Dude, you’re nuts. Just look at what you just did. I will be screenshotting all this, just to make sure you won’t get to pretend that it never happened. And you STILL try to make yourself look good by attempting to make others look bad. Yes, you are not me. If you were me, you would not be doing this nonsense. I would also not stupidly assume that **everything that one guy writes** is automatically a bait post. Unlike you do i not live here. Unlike you I already have a reputation that goes far and wide, and unlike you I am known that I can get things done. I’m not the one projecting. I’m not a loser constantly posting on an online forum to make myself look like a big man who protects the weak. You are. Step away from the computer. It’s the **only** sane thing for you to do. And please STOP projecting your ■■■■■■■■ onto me. I am trying to reach through your thick skull and you constantly believe that everyone is out to get you. That’s absolutely nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/304 "2018-09-24T20:45:51Z")
Anyhow … I refuse to speak to the mentally ill. Have the last word. You REALLY, REALLY need it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482.md?page=12) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482.md?page=14)