# Ganking, or rather the Right to Gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [September 7, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482 "2018-09-07T13:45:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Clockwork\_Robot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clockwork_robot/32/13535_2.png) [@Clockwork\_Robot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clockwork_Robot)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/551 "2018-09-30T12:33:14Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I am not the one who goes into personal attacks and gloats over RL stuff, the sewer is of your making You are, however the one who keeps ■■■■■■■ falling for bait posts, from a troll who couldn’t be more obvious if he were being attacked by three goats. And yeah. You two playing “Who’s The Bigger Sperg Hydrant” is, in fact, going to get this thread locked. But then someone will just open it up again, and the same outcome will happen. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/552 "2018-09-30T12:34:52Z")
> [@Ganking, or rather the Right to Gank](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/533): > > Many people do not understand the strategic implications of freighter bumping and the way it adds on top of other advantages. When you have a mechanic that enables you to pick the time and place of your attack with total immunity from reaction it is by it’s nature too strong for effective opposition. The advantages are pretty easy to understand, bumping itself is something that we use in other areas of space and is a method to stop people getting safe in areas of space where the person being… Is what I put forth and he chose to attack me personally again. But it is always me isn’t it? So what you are saying with this: > [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > You are, however the one who keeps ■■■■■■■ falling for bait posts, from a troll who couldn’t be more obvious if he were being attacked by three goats. Is that I cannot pick him up on mis-representation because he is trolling me, of course I know he is trolling. But the thing is that trolling is against the forum rules and he should have his posts removed, but he does not. > [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > And yeah. You two playing “Who’s The Bigger Sperg Hydrant” is, in fact, going to get this thread locked. But then someone will just open it up again, and the same outcome will happen. I have made the point and no one can refute what I said, by the fact that it degenerated again into personal attacks and mis-representation such as you want to end ganking in hisec speaks for itself. Lucas Kell raised the point about what they do in this thread and why, go and read it, you might learn something. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/553 "2018-09-30T12:41:11Z")
I dont fly freighters so I honestly dont know, what happens if a freighter and a mach fly head on at each other? ---
**Author:** ![Clockwork\_Robot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clockwork_robot/32/13535_2.png) [@Clockwork\_Robot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clockwork_Robot)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/554 "2018-09-30T12:53:03Z")
No Drac, I am not saying you cannot strike back when someone’s drives at you. I am saying that you are being baited into responding, and that you are swallowing that bait. I am not saying that you aren’t holding the moral High Ground, I’m not saying that AG has no good points… I’m not on either of your sides. What you are _doing_, is falling for some junior high level trolling. Everything about the way this guy constructs his sentences, is designed to piss you off and get a rise out of you. And you are happily giving him exactly what he wants. Don’t you feel an obligation to try to be better than that? ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/555 "2018-09-30T12:57:44Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I am not the one who goes into personal attacks and gloats over RL stuff, the sewer is of your making. 🍭 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahah not only are you dishonest and trolling, but you’re also a pretty terrible liar ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/556 "2018-09-30T12:58:28Z")
have you ever thought that he intentionally victimizes himself so you feel pity for him? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/557 "2018-09-30T13:00:53Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > He said hisec was safe Let me enumarate systems in which freighter killing is somewhat regular occurrence : Jita, Iyen-Oursta, Perimeter, Niarja, Uedama. Notice certain trend here? All of them are either just by jita or pipes leading to it… just so happens that pipe systems in low sec are also heavily camped. Same reason. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/558 "2018-09-30T13:10:50Z")
> [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > No Drac, I am not saying you cannot strike back when someone’s drives at you. Good. > [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > I am saying that you are being baited into responding, and that you are swallowing that bait. I understand that you are saying that, and I am very aware of what I am doing. > [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > and that you are swallowing that bait. I am not saying that you aren’t holding the moral High Ground, I’m not saying that AG has no good points… I’m not on either of your sides. That is fine, good. > [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > What you are _doing_ , is falling for some junior high level trolling Only in as far as it enables me to make my points. > [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > Everything about the way this guy constructs his sentences, is designed to piss you off and get a rise out of you. He is not pissing me off in any shape or form. For me this is amused banter, if I was not finding it amusing I would not be playing along with it. That RL thing he keeps using when he gets especially mad, I have no personal in on that tragic incident, he was too stupid to realise that. > [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > And you are happily giving him exactly what he wants. Don’t you feel an obligation to try to be better than that? My focus is on the issues, but I am always happy to have some banter if they are up to it. The issue is like earlier with the flag stuff and one guy even petitioning me for harassment is that many of them can dish it out, but they cannot take it. And that level of personal hypocrisy they have is something that I always find interesting in games. When you fix your computer you will understand it a bit better… ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/559 "2018-09-30T13:13:42Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > Let me enumarate systems in which freighter killing is somewhat regular occurrence : Jita, Iyen-Oursta, Perimeter, Niarja, Uedama. Notice certain trend here? All of them are either just by jita or pipes leading to it… just so happens that pipe systems in low sec are also heavily camped. Same reason. When I was in hisec the net was wider than that, it is mainly because the reduction in active real hisec players and the poor game play evident in fighting against freighter ganking has meant that he does not have to widen that net. If anything your point makes my point even more evident. It appears that Don Arkaral disagrees with you… ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/560 "2018-09-30T13:53:32Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > When I was in hisec the net was wider than that the Jita/Amarr was always the main part, now it’s expanded around Jita the net is wider than before lol ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/561 "2018-09-30T14:11:39Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > When I was in hisec When I was? So you don’t live in hisec… then why do you try to say anything about experience of people living there? ---
**Author:** ![Clockwork\_Robot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clockwork_robot/32/13535_2.png) [@Clockwork\_Robot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clockwork_Robot)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/562 "2018-09-30T14:12:01Z")
It had not occurred to me… But I can’t rule it out. ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/563 "2018-09-30T14:20:15Z")
> [@Annah\_Tsero](#): > > have you ever thought that he intentionally victimizes himself so you feel pity for him? 🤔 It’s not even that. He just isn’t very bright and can’t handle being wrong, even when every poster in the thread is telling him he is. It’s like trying to convince a devout religious person there is no god. Doesn’t matter what you say, you ain’t changing their mind. It’s hilarious and sad at the same time seeing him go through a semi mental breakdown. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/564 "2018-09-30T14:20:21Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > When I was? So you don’t live in hisec… then why do you try to say anything about experience of people living there? Because I have also spent a lot of time in hisec and done AG stuff, I know a lot more about it then you for example. @Australian_Excellence Your last post is hysterically funny keep at it. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/565 "2018-09-30T14:29:28Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Because I have also spent a lot of time in hisec and done AG stuff, I know a lot more about it then you for example. Citadels changed playing field a lot more than people even suspect. If you have not been spending most of your time in hs last two years you wouldn’t notice it. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/566 "2018-09-30T14:35:50Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > Citadels changed playing field a lot more than people even suspect. If you have not been spending most of your time in hs last two years you wouldn’t notice it. Oh dear…, as if I have not come across Citadels in my game play. Have you done AG at all? And I don’t mean sitting in the AG chat channel trolling people, but actually trying to stop and being successful in stopping ganks. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/567 "2018-09-30T14:40:30Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > but actually trying towhore on Concord kills ftfy ag hasn’t succeeded in month if not years now 😅 ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/568 "2018-09-30T14:41:37Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Have you done AG at all? And I don’t mean sitting in the AG chat channel trolling people, but actually trying to stop and being successful in stopping ganks. Why would I? I do gank now and then… why would I join ag? Especially when most of them are totally incompetent… ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/569 "2018-09-30T14:44:28Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > Why would I? I do gank now and then… why would I join ag? Especially when most of them are totally incompetent… So you have no idea about opposing ganking at all, well it did show. > [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > Citadels changed playing field a lot more than people even suspect. If you have not been spending most of your time in hs last two years you wouldn’t notice it. Is a very good example… If you are going to suggest something like that then you have to add the detail. To me that is hot air and wind, the sort of stuff that is normal for these forums, the sort of stuff that 10 people come out with all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/570 "2018-09-30T17:21:40Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > So you have no idea about opposing ganking at all and you’re going to tell us you do? you cry more on these forums than a little girl who lost her favorite Barbie back in the day lol [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482.md?page=24) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482.md?page=26)