# Ganking, or rather the Right to Gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [September 7, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482 "2018-09-07T13:45:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Chicken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_chicken/32/45651_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Chicken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Chicken)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/660 "2018-10-07T21:52:33Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > the reconstruction of this game will start LOL keep praying, carebears… 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Ark](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mister_ark/32/11436_2.png) [@Mister\_Ark](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mister_Ark)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/661 "2018-10-07T22:05:56Z")
There are tools for Antigankers. Many are just too inept to use them. Logistics, ECM, or even some combination of this can ruin a gank. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/662 "2018-10-07T23:05:11Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Chicken](#): > > LOL keep praying, carebears… 🤣 They have some great hopes now that CCP is owned by a new company. I wonder how long they will stay around and preach those doomsday messages until they realize that the core of EVE can’t be changed and that is what they actually hate. 😂 ---
**Author:** ![NotTheSmartestCookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/notthesmartestcookie/32/168266_2.png) [@NotTheSmartestCookie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NotTheSmartestCookie)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/663 "2018-10-08T15:07:48Z")
Not sure or particulary care whether CCP will disable wardecs before implementing a new solution. I doubt they will disable wardecs, because probably by now even CCP realizes they don’t have the capability to program a decent replacement within 12 months. But should CCP disable wardecs, I suspect a large number of current wardeccers are going to try the -10 gank lifestyle in various mission hubs. ---
**Author:** ![Marta\_Joringer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marta_joringer/32/396879_2.png) [@Marta\_Joringer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marta_Joringer)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/664 "2018-10-08T15:18:37Z")
Thank you all for the replies and discussion in this thread. 😃 I think what we’re saying is ganking MUST stay, although there may be tweeks to it? Hoping about 600+ pro-ganking repies is some evidence for PA, if/when they start to meddle… Fly easy o/ ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Chicken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_chicken/32/45651_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Chicken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Chicken)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/665 "2018-10-08T18:27:56Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > They have some great hopes now that CCP is owned by a new company. I wonder how long they will stay around and preach those doomsday messages until they realize that the core of EVE can’t be changed and that is what they actually hate. 😂 😊 I’m reminded of the crimewatch changes that were going to end CODE. lololololol “Winter is coming” remember?!?!? 🤣🤣🤣 I love it when something gives the carebears hope, otherwise what would we have to crush? ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/666 "2018-10-08T19:04:48Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > [ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/isd_dorrim_barstorlode) This thread most certainly isn’t the same subject as the one you closed, this is about the existence of ganking, not the balance of it. But thanks for demonstrating that even when gankers are breaching the rules you still back their desperate need to force any thread that suggests ganking should be balanced to be closed. > > Ladies and gents, if you ever needed proof ganking was out of control, there it is. Gankers can actually breach CCPs harassment rules and be backed by ISDs for doing so. Discussing forum moderation. Reported! ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/667 "2018-10-09T10:37:52Z")
The only reasonable counter to a gank in high is to make it impossible by CCP to be ganked/gank in high… Bottom line… ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/668 "2018-10-09T13:11:36Z")
Or you could simply learn how to play the game and invest the minimal amount of time it takes to make yourself not a target. To hard for you? ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/669 "2018-10-09T13:47:42Z")
It would require him to log on and put some actual effort 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/670 "2018-10-09T14:02:24Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Or you could simply learn how to play the game and invest the minimal amount of time it takes to make yourself not a target. To hard for you? no…just not wanted by mainstream…and a mainstream rebuild will come,forced upon the game by PA ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/671 "2018-10-09T14:15:45Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > What you want is 10 frigates to beat 70 battleships in a fight, because “muh unfair” “muh feels” Did … did they really show up in frigates?? ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/672 "2018-10-09T14:16:38Z")
Maybe you should actually do all these reports! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/673 "2018-10-09T14:17:45Z")
Btw, in a surprise to no one, the ECM nerf was a stealth buff to suicide ganking! Better cry more! ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/674 "2018-10-09T14:26:40Z")
Not really, because you only can lock whatever’s locking you ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/675 "2018-10-09T14:59:01Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > > > Or you could simply learn how to play the game and invest the minimal amount of time it takes to make yourself not a target. To hard for you? > > no…just not wanted by mainstream…and a mainstream rebuild will come,forced upon the game by PA Games who are hard to play are pretty mainstream this days again. Maybe it’s just you who rather likes Hello Kitty type games and you project that on everyone else? ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/676 "2018-10-09T15:00:54Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > Btw, in a surprise to no one, the ECM nerf was a stealth buff to suicide ganking! If you gank the falcon maybe. In any other situation it should probably be worse for the ganker if I understand that change correctly. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/677 "2018-10-09T15:17:18Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > If you gank the falcon maybe. In any other situation it should probably be worse for the ganker if I understand that change correctly. It is not worse. It can’t be as the only change is now you can lock back who is jamming you. For a Falcon at range jamming you after you start a gank, the suicide ganker is still screwed I would think, but it does make ECM useless on the ship being ganked as an escape mechanism or to stop the damage. That is less relevant for a large fleet of gankers, but still it is a nerf as it makes ECM on the target ship useless as a way to neutralize one or more of the suicide ganking ships. I think though it is a much bigger buff for gate camping lowsec gankers as it makes ECM useless for a solo ship to clear tackle and escape. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/678 "2018-10-09T15:29:55Z")
Didn’t they also say something about wanting to make ECM more reliable and less chance based? Was that just a dream they had and it didn’t actually crystallize in the update? ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/679 "2018-10-09T15:30:10Z")
What Pedro said. Most of us operate at brawling range, so ECM ships are ■■■■■■. 😃 > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Didn’t they also say something about wanting to make ECM more reliable and less chance based? Was that just a dream they had and it didn’t actually crystallize in the update? Aren’t we talking about CCP? 😃 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482.md?page=29) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482.md?page=31)