# Ganking, or rather the Right to Gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [September 7, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482 "2018-09-07T13:45:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![NotTheSmartestCookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/notthesmartestcookie/32/168266_2.png) [@NotTheSmartestCookie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NotTheSmartestCookie)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2019, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/721 "2019-01-22T09:50:25Z")
But in all likelihood in order to provide a “balanced” experience the NPC response would need to ramp up so fast (or be totally ineffective) that there is no real difference with CONCORD anyways. ---
**Author:** ![Sepheir\_Sepheron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sepheir_sepheron/32/279597_2.png) [@Sepheir\_Sepheron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sepheir_Sepheron)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2019, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/722 "2019-01-22T10:04:22Z")
All mechanics against him Can’t be tackled Can move freely to any target Low isk investment Low sp requirements Free ship scans Slow massive targets Extremely pricey kills … What? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/723 "2019-01-23T10:46:15Z")
You’re very disingenuous. Unfortunately a common trait amongst carebears: - Why cant he be tackled? - Who can’t move freely to any target? - Isk ivestment is a choice we ALL have. - So is sp ivestment. - Everyone gets free ship scans. And free scouts. And free killboard intel. And free web alts. - choosing slow targets because you are incapable of hitting fast targets is NOT an advantage. Lie more please. - How is pricey targets an advantage? Meanwhile, their ships are considered lost from the moment they gank, it requires lots of players to be effective and the penalties against their character are so heavy that only alts gank. ---
**Author:** ![Sepheir\_Sepheron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sepheir_sepheron/32/279597_2.png) [@Sepheir\_Sepheron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sepheir_Sepheron)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/724 "2019-01-24T00:27:10Z")
It’s pointless to explain. It’s like arguing with a youngster who keeps saying “why”. You know exactly why. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 2:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/725 "2019-01-24T02:15:07Z")
> [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > And if it were really, truly just as simple as doing the things you sometimes suggest, then CODE would never have gotten off the ground in the first place. Comedy gold! Th-this guy realizes we started out bumping people with stabbers, right? 🤣 > [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > What CODE does is effective, not simply because CODE is so good at doing it… But because the mechanics themselves are effective. Such deep, underlying butthurt that he has to throw in this lil jab. Typical. 🧐 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 3:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/726 "2019-01-24T03:14:43Z")
I remember my anti-ganking day, when I logged into the anti-ganking channel for the first time, and learned that evildoers were stalking Uedama and Niarja. This was a great concern for me, as I hoped to travel north from Amarr and explore Jita beyond. Before I set out on this adventure, I decided that it would be prudent to introduce myself to those who fought against such danger, and offer them my dutiful service and sage counsel. I recalled the great convoys of the Second World War, ravaged by aerial attack and the menacing threat of submarines. Surely, surely, there must be some rational means to defend against the ‘ganker’ threat. Losses were inevitable, but I knew that I could be an effective anti-ganker, because my studies of Clausewitz and Sun Tzu prepared me well. Victory was in our grasp, and would merely take… effort and perseverance. However, the other anti-gankers mocked me, gnashing their teeth with idle frustration. They were beaten and demoralized, reduced to pathetic impotence. All their years of experience came to naught, for they did not even believe in themselves. My career as an anti-ganker came to a shuddering halt, when I learned that a freighter was about to proceed without any escort or reconnaissance. I urged caution, aware that this was a foolish blunder. The freighter pilot insisted, as he must immediately continue his advance, and would not delay his course for even one moment. Nor was he willing to allow anyone to join his fleet, or pay them one isk for protection. In that moment, before I even learned the phrase, I knew what a bot aspirant was. When his freighter burst into brilliant flames, I watched and felt regret. No, I did not regret his demise, but rather that I myself had not been the source of his demise. On that day, I learned that there are two factions, locked in an eternal war. One group is like a swarm of locusts, mindlessly descending upon the asteroids, and greedily trying to convert everything into isk. They play the game like some people play Monopoly, watching their television and talking trash while breaking nearly every rule. They hate the game, but love getting paid to sit on free parking. The other group seeks some higher purpose. They actually play to win, and they’ve got the rules memorized. Day after day, year after year, they crush the foul beasts, purging the galaxy of this plague. I knew which side I would support. > **[Nomad | Raya Charles | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/70849176/)** > > Raya Charles (Perkone) lost their Nomad in Jita (The Forge). Final Blow by Jackson Kusion (KUSION SPECIAL TEAM) flying in a Talos. Total Value: 331,871,621,117.46 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Clockwork\_Robot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clockwork_robot/32/13535_2.png) [@Clockwork\_Robot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clockwork_Robot)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/727 "2019-01-24T10:38:44Z")
Those cherry-picked bits were so far back in my post history that even I forgot I had written them. Makes you look kind of desperate. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/728 "2019-01-24T12:24:46Z")
I assure you that there ARE things anti-gankers could do to alleviate ganks. For example (and you won’t like this at all), EVE is a multiplayer wargame with aspects of diplomacy. If you got a permit, you might just find yourself on the winning team, instead of the losing team. Believe it or not, there are CODE. compliant freighters, and even CODE. rorquals. Unfortunately, fools insist upon being fools, and Goofus will goofus. It’s like playing chess with somebody, and they always insist upon bringing their blingy queen out first, loitering in the middle of a high security zone. When you try to help them, gently nudging and bumping them back into a more effective formation, they whine and complain and ask who are you to tell them how to play. Eventually, you decide that if you have to play this kind of person, you are just going to destroy them. Learned helplessness is a terrible thing, especially when combined with the Dunning-Kruger effect. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/729 "2019-01-24T13:06:23Z")
You mean you can’t cause it’s BS. ---
**Author:** ![Clockwork\_Robot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clockwork_robot/32/13535_2.png) [@Clockwork\_Robot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clockwork_Robot)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/730 "2019-01-24T15:31:10Z")
Guy, I think I’ve made it clear that I completely agree with a lot of the points your corporation makes. Trying to spin it that I am raging against you when I’m not only makes you look kind of silly. As does the nonsense, and RP. There’s no point in discussing reality with somebody who is obfuscating deliberately in order to annoy. We both know that the permit means nothing, we both know that it is the most successful extortion scheme in highsec, and therefore the most successful Corporation. CODE have their ■■■■ together. I’ve never denied it. But I’m afraid I’m not interested in discussing it with someone who is being silly about it. Ain’t no permit ever stopped somebody from getting blown up, that code wanted blown up. /shrug You do you, boo. I’m just not interested in talking about it with you anymore. (In before “I accept your surrender” or what not. I’m not actually fighting you. There is no need to save face for either of us, bruh.) ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/731 "2019-01-24T15:35:56Z")
Why does everybody keep saying CODE. is RP? We aren’t role-playing. We are completely serious about everything we say. Why do you keep trying to scam new players, telling them that the permit is meaningless and an extortion scheme? I have a permit, do you have one? How would you know if the permit is a scam, when you never even bought one?? The permit is the best thing ever. I bought a permit, and just like CODE. promised, James himself embraced me as his own child. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/732 "2019-01-24T16:59:46Z")
> [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > Those cherry-picked bits were so far back in my post history that even I forgot I had written them. Ah, I do apologize, it can take me a while to get around to reading a thread (as I don’t live here, unlike some people). So I take it that your outlook hast drastically changed over the last 20 comments or so? So now you no longer hold that ridiculous position and are no longer deeply butthurt? Is that right? ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/733 "2019-01-24T17:31:48Z")
> [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > Guy, I think I’ve made it clear that I completely agree with a lot of the points your corporation makes. Trying to spin it that I am raging against you when I’m not only makes you look kind of silly. Yeah you say that, then you turn around and say something like “there’s no way to win” or “you guys are just after TEARS!!!1” that proves you’re just another carebear on these forums. > [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > As does the nonsense, and RP. There’s no point in discussing reality with somebody who is obfuscating deliberately in order to annoy. I’m just a player and EVE is just a videogame. We’re not actual spaceship pilots. I don’t know what else I could say to disabuse you of the belief that we’re roleplaying. The way we comport ourselves may seem silly to you, but honestly, the way carebears comport themselves seems very silly to me, so shrug. > [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > We both know that the permit means nothing, we both know that it is the most successful extortion scheme in highsec, Put yourself in my shoes, as an agent who does indeed honor permits and has flown in fleets that pass up perfectly viable, but permit-holding targets. Carebears just complain because the permit is not a license to violate the Code, and they still explode when they attempt to do so. > [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > and therefore the most successful Corporation. This part is true. > [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > CODE have their ■■■■ together. Also true. > [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > But I’m afraid I’m not interested in discussing it with someone who is being silly about it. Yes, god forbid anyone be silly in a video game. It’s a surprise that no one wants to seriously engage you, given your incessant butthurt posting about us. > [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > Ain’t no permit ever stopped somebody from getting blown up, that code wanted blown up. Just more carebear conspiracy thinking that prevents them from doing well in this game. Aiko is right, you’re essentially preying on noobies by filling their heads up with ideas that will result in their explosion. Kinda not cool, bro. Jus’ sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/734 "2019-01-24T18:15:38Z")
20 comments is a long time, I’m sure he has reflected upon those comments and is now ashamed of his past. There is no need to dredge up ancient history. Also, with regard to the myth that CODE. goes around ganking permit holders. Just think about it for a moment. Why would we go to all the trouble of selling you a permit, promoting the permit for seven years, making a big deal about the permit, and then gank you just for lulz? We want our citizens to be happy and productive, paying their taxes and wearing their permit with pride. We reserve the best mining spots for our VIPs. Just now, I had a choice between two retrievers, one with a permit and one without. One who saluted me when I entered local, and one which did not. I think you know which retriever exploded, and which one posted a big smiley face in local. Veterans who know better should stop lying to new players, telling them that the permits aren’t real. EVE has permits and taxes. New players should know this. You can’t go mine in the Delve unless you pay rent. High security space is no different, except with higher security. Those asteroid belts are claimed, and the laws are enforced vigorously. I think some people just want the noobs to get ganked, so they lie and pretend that anyone can go anywhere they like without paying any tolls. “Yah buddy, you can just roll up on that interstate and blaze it, the police won’t actually give you a ticket! When you hit that border, just barrel on through, ain’t nobody need no visa!” Even if you hate James with all your evil heart, you should acknowledge to noobs that EVE is a feudal environment, with medieval overlords, arcane customs, and Byzantine mysteries. It is true that there are those who believe high-sec to be an anarcho-syndicalist hippy commune, and those who believe staunchly in the Old Order. However, only an ignorant fool would ignore the fact that the New Order is very serious about its own claim to the region. If CODE. is engaged in some kind of elite roleplay, you might want to roleplay a little yourself, and try kneeling in submission before the Supreme Lord Protector and High King of the Realm, James 315, the First of His Name, Bishop of Halaima, the Conqueror of Kamio and Landlord of the Delve, CEO of the Caldari Navy, Emperor of Amarr and Ammatar, President of Minmatar, Prime Minister of Gallente, Khanid of Khanids, the Bob of Bob, Baron of Hek, Chancellor of the Lawton School of Space Law, and Chief Financial Officer of Currin Trading. **_Praise be unto Him!_** ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/735 "2019-01-24T18:56:13Z")
One minor correction: James 315 is the President\* of the Minmatar. It _is_ a republic, after all. All the rest is highly accurate. Praise James 315, long may he reign. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/736 "2019-01-24T19:06:59Z")
I failed my civics class. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/737 "2019-01-24T19:08:56Z")
It’s okay, you know who the Supreme Protector of Highsec is, and that’s all that counts. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/738 "2019-01-24T19:16:52Z")
When I flunked out of Hedion University, Khanid told me to seek out James, and beg for his forgiveness. I traveled to Hek, and we met at a local coffeeshop, where he graciously offered to buy me an espresso. He sternly inquired, “I hear you didn’t do so well in school, rejected by EVE University and cast aside from Hedion. Why?” Meekly, I told him how I was absent from most of my classes, and bored out of my mind, always off isk doubling in Jita. I asked, “Why do the miners hate the poor defenseless Guristas refugees? How come they never talk about that in school?” He laughed, and said if I care so much about the hapless Guristas, then I should consider investing 10 million isk in his charity fund. When I returned home, Khanid was most pleased. ---
**Author:** ![little\_bo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/little_bo/32/425018_2.png) [@little\_bo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/little_bo)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/739 "2019-01-25T01:43:15Z")
I don’t think its fair to new players when in high sec to get ganked so easy - a Tornado with 629 dps drop most things - ok ill lose ship to CONCORD but that 3b cargo = good trade 🙂 this would be a solo effort. With numbers going down on players even high sec is a bore - i flew a Tyran into null lol left for 3 days just for fun and to see how easy it is. So so many dead corp’s around in null, why hhmmm becuse it’s a bore and little worth a new players time. new player should fly what he/she can afford to lose or it’s a part of eve welcome to eve, really is this what the game needs over exploitation ? 500 plex worth 1.7b there is so much less circulation as the price of plex keeps inflating = less ppl buying plex with the $ = less profit for ccp ? wounder what happens next, are we getting the pic yet? I don’t think ganking should stop but i do think CONCORD to be quicker of the mark at the gates if player warps in at 0, or remove CONCORD as whats the point if they can control , if you auto pilot then your asking to be ganked. solo ganking so easy even as an alpha to fund atl’s and omega way way to easy . ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 2:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/740 "2019-01-25T02:28:52Z")
Maybe CONCORD should start ganking miners? Then the bots could play against the bots, and none of us would have even to log in. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482.md?page=32) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482.md?page=34)