# Ganking, or rather the Right to Gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [September 7, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482 "2018-09-07T13:45:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![NotTheSmartestCookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/notthesmartestcookie/32/168266_2.png) [@NotTheSmartestCookie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NotTheSmartestCookie)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/741 "2019-01-25T09:04:36Z")
> [@little\_bo](#): > > I don’t think its fair to new players when in high sec to get ganked so easy - a Tornado with 629 dps drop most things - ok ill lose ship to CONCORD but that 3b cargo = good trade 🙂 this would be a solo effort. Will nobody think of the poor newbies with 3b in cargo! Hint: a mining permit is only 10m and covers a whole year of CODE compliant highsec activities. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/742 "2019-01-25T13:53:19Z")
Poor Gila noob was so close to completing the level 4 mining tutorial, when he got an escalation that earlier missions didn’t prepare him for. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/743 "2019-01-26T10:21:31Z")
Holy ■■■■ that made me laugh! ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/744 "2019-01-26T10:23:07Z")
> [@little\_bo](#): > > solo ganking so easy even as an alpha to fund atl’s and omega way way to easy . Why is it pretty much always semi-illiterate people who post nonsense like this? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/745 "2019-01-26T14:18:47Z")
It’s a corollary of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Since the idjit believes they are better than others, when confronted by evidence that someone else is doing better, the obvious conclusion is that the other person is either cheating or exploiting. ---
**Author:** ![Lycannis\_SilvaNegra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lycannis_silvanegra/32/304332_2.png) [@Lycannis\_SilvaNegra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lycannis_SilvaNegra)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/746 "2019-01-26T15:56:33Z")
> [@Ho\_Ma\_Fan](#): > > NOT allow criminals any refuge in HiSec. Not even in Pods… No Gate, No Station. Well I would agree with that… ---
**Author:** ![Lycannis\_SilvaNegra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lycannis_silvanegra/32/304332_2.png) [@Lycannis\_SilvaNegra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lycannis_SilvaNegra)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/747 "2019-01-26T16:02:22Z")
> [@NotTheSmartestCookie](#): > > Will nobody think of the poor newbies with 3b in cargo! Hint: a mining permit is only 10m and covers a whole year of CODE compliant highsec activities ROFL\* that’s what is behind the whole operation of code. “Racketeering” hidden by semi-religious bull\*\*\*\* and unlike racketeering in RL you will not get any protection but you will be ganked anyways, sometimes by CODE and sometimes by others… ---
**Author:** ![Lycannis\_SilvaNegra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lycannis_silvanegra/32/304332_2.png) [@Lycannis\_SilvaNegra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lycannis_SilvaNegra)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/748 "2019-01-26T16:31:59Z")
> [@Clockwork\_Robot](#): > > Aren’t you supposed to be docked up when you need to use the bathroom? Well, some have a bucket beneath the table… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/749 "2019-01-26T21:21:56Z")
Wow, racketeering in real life sounds like a great deal! I’m gonna go pay someone a little protection money right now! ---
**Author:** ![Pix\_Severus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pix_severus/32/394032_2.png) [@Pix\_Severus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pix_Severus)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/750 "2019-01-27T00:58:14Z")
It always amuses me when people throw around words like “extortion” and “racketeering” in regards to the mining permits. It implies that agents are selling permits for the purpose of making profit, which is just silly. 10m ISK is peanuts, and even if they sell 100 permits, that’s still peanuts considering the work involved. The permit is just a contract between the client and the agent; one that stipulates the client will read and follow The Code, and in return the agent may offer advice on how to remain Code Compliant through suggestions for ships/fits, etc. Even newbies should be able to afford permits. I’ve known newbies that have made hundreds of millions of ISK on their first day in-game, just from chatting with people and being sociable. Anyone who believes that permit sales are part of some elaborate cash grab are thinking with a one-dimensional, psuedo-Ferengi, carebear mind. There’s more to EVE than profit. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2019, 1:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/751 "2019-01-28T01:12:24Z")
I remember when I was asked to buy a permit. I’ll admit, I hesitated. For about one or two seconds, I was like, “Everything in EVE is a scam. This is probably a scam.” However, I was ready to quit the game anyways. It was boring. It was stupid. Mining was dumb. PvE was dumb. Consensual PvP was dumb. What was the point of anything? So I bought a permit, because at least James is amusing. The blog is funny, you got to give him credit. Praise be unto Him for making fun of the stupid miners. Surprisingly, I made the entire cost of that permit back within the first hour, with profit. More importantly, and this is what carebears never seem to understand, I’m having fun and I’ve got a real purpose in EVE. My goal, my objective, my win scenario? You need to purchase a permit before you enter a high security zone. Otherwise you are gonna die, so you better hook up fast with a nullsec tutorial group. Pay your taxes, or GTFO. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/752 "2019-01-29T16:26:54Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > idjit Do I know you? As in … that words get so rarely used, but I remember some people using it. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/753 "2019-01-29T16:28:11Z")
Why would you want to deny a small group of people their … what bears wrongly call … playstyle? ---
**Author:** ![Lycannis\_SilvaNegra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lycannis_silvanegra/32/304332_2.png) [@Lycannis\_SilvaNegra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lycannis_SilvaNegra)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2019, 9:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/754 "2019-02-02T09:12:47Z")
I will not deny anything but EVE is a large playfield. There are regions where they could play their style. There are people at the beach sunbathing, swimming, building castles in the sand but you dont have to play soccer on the same spot, destroying their kind of fun… ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2019, 9:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/755 "2019-02-02T09:16:12Z")
The playfield you want to abolish us to is not the playfield we want to play in. You’re attacking a minority (gankers) who affect a minority (their victims). 99.99% of all people never get ganked, yet you somehow conclude that it’s a necessity to segregate a small group of people away from the rest. Plus it’s a game. There are no real people here I could potentially disturb by playing soccer. Plus, if it is explicitely allowed to play soccer where the others are sunbathing, then those who are sunbathing should be making sure they don’t get the ball shot onto their heads. You really need a reality check. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2019, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/756 "2019-02-02T09:29:24Z")
> [@Lycannis\_SilvaNegra](#): > > I will not deny anything but EVE is a large playfield. There are regions where they could play their style. There are people at the beach sunbathing, swimming, building castles in the sand but you dont have to play soccer on the same spot, destroying their kind of fun… While this is maybe true to some extent, Eve is actually more like a giant game of soccer on a section of beach rather than a sprawling sandy strand. If you enter that beach and try to start scoring goals, you can’t really complain if someone else comes over and tries to take your ball away or score on you, even if you are more interested in practising your footwork than scoring on others. Ok, that’s a little simplistic, but Eve is a giant, competitive world where your actions impact on everyone else. Thus you have to be open to them, meaning if you are doing anything that impactful on the universe you have to be open to some (or many: AKA ganking) of them deciding to attack you. CCP can tweak rules and balance but fundamentally, at its core, Eve is all these player interactions so many players ganging up on one is in the DNA of the game to the point is essentially an intrinsic right. If CCP tried to change that DNA it would be a mutation so large the game would be a new species at that point, and probably not a very viable one in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2019, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/757 "2019-02-02T11:32:53Z")
> [@Lycannis\_SilvaNegra](#): > > I will not deny anything but EVE is a large playfield. There are regions where they could play their style. There are people at the beach sunbathing, swimming, building castles in the sand but you dont have to play soccer on the same spot, destroying their kind of fun… In your analogy, the whole game is the play field. The entire beach was paid for and designed as a giant football pitch and everyone plays together in the same game. Groups form their own teams and play to whatever style they like, as long as they follow the rules. This is the type of game many of us are looking for because its so massive, chaotic and yeah its a bit rough too, but that’s how we like it. Its the only game where we get this type of freedom, reward for being smart and a serious challenge. We don’t go to the other football games because they are simply boring and restrictive. What you’re doing is setting up to sunbathe in the middle of the football pitch and then complaining when you get hit by the ball. Now we don’t mind you setting up to sunbathe on the pitch that much, but you’ve no right to complain if you get hit a few times. There are plenty of other beaches for you that are perfect for sunbathing if that’s what you really want to do. edit- And lets be honest, keeping us on the one big pitch stops us playing rough on the other pitches. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2019, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/758 "2019-02-02T12:28:23Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/8/d89aeb806b787306e2a8b7ca033d457808174fe6.png) Man, did I enjoy my right to gank. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2019, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/760 "2019-02-07T23:00:19Z")
Yes, because you refuse to improve, even though you could … … and yes, because you don’t give a ■■■■ about it being wrong, which is horrible all by itself. ---
**Author:** ![Sol\_epoch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sol_epoch/32/379171_2.png) [@Sol\_epoch](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sol_epoch)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/761 "2019-02-08T00:17:24Z")
I see ganking as weak people trying to be something in a pixel spaceship game due to failing in other aspects of their lives! Just my opinion by the way and we all know the saying about opinions! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482.md?page=33) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482.md?page=35)