# Ganking, or rather the Right to Gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [September 7, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482 "2018-09-07T13:45:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/182 "2018-09-24T09:56:20Z")
I thought thats what she was saying. Similarly if they are criminals because players say so, then players should also make their own police. But instead we got Crimewatch. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/183 "2018-09-24T09:58:06Z")
At the moment. Ha. This moment has been forever. For over a decade they did nothing. You are mistaken. They will never do anything beyond typing words. There is not a single shred of evidence that they ever did anything … … and there is no reason to believe that that is ever going to change. No matter what CCP implements … all they will be doing is crying on the forums … … because their problem is NOT that they can not do anything about us … no. Their problem is that we **exist**. You can dream of that idea that carebears will fight back … … but in the last decade+ that has not happened once. “No opportunities” my ass, Rivr. ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/184 "2018-09-24T10:04:19Z")
I’ve got no problem having -10 characters being unable to dock in npc stations, providing concord is changed so it always acts as if its been pulled and concord being on grid doesn’t change the response time. ---
**Author:** ![Rivr\_Luzade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rivr_luzade/32/311061_2.png) [@Rivr\_Luzade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rivr_Luzade)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/185 "2018-09-24T10:04:55Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > There is not a single shred of evidence that they ever did anything … Well, that is your limited perspective. As far as I know, Astral Corp (or whatever they are called) actually do something. A lot actually. So much actually that CODE needs to gank them out of existence before CODE can gank a freighter. 🤔 And as said, as long as gankers can just stay and operate from incontestable, unchallengeable NPC stations there is very little you can do: You can repair the target, which is already being done; you can jam the ganking ships, which is already being done; you can tackle them while they travel, which is done sometimes; you can counter gank their Machariels, which is done so much (meaning 1 or 2 times per year) that the bumpers these days are staying docked or tethered until a scout finds a target. You can engage their looting freighters, which has been done a few times but mostly requires ganking those because gankers use disposable alts to loot the yellow wrecks. And yet, the gankers can just come back with another wave of ships from an NPC station and you cannot do anything about it. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/186 "2018-09-24T10:05:39Z")
> [@Rivr\_Luzade](#): > > So much actually that CODE needs to gank them out of existence before CODE can gank a freighter. 🤔 So … who wins again? Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/187 "2018-09-24T10:06:13Z")
> [@Rivr\_Luzade](#): > > Well, that is your limited perspective. As far as I know, Astral Corp (or whatever they are called) actually do something. A lot actually. hahhahaha no, they’re complete failures ---
**Author:** ![Rivr\_Luzade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rivr_luzade/32/311061_2.png) [@Rivr\_Luzade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rivr_Luzade)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/188 "2018-09-24T10:07:05Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > hahhahaha no, they’re complete failures Yes, failures may be true, but they are doing _something_. And that something is enough for CODE to respond in force against it. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/189 "2018-09-24T10:07:45Z")
They deserve kudos for not just whining … … but they’re not representative of the rest of the lot. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/190 "2018-09-24T10:07:51Z")
And thats what everyone wants isnt it? Yet where is the solidarity of the AG movement? ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/191 "2018-09-24T10:08:03Z")
> [@Rivr\_Luzade](#): > > Yes, failures may be true, but they are doing _something_ . They’re wasting their own time > [@Rivr\_Luzade](#): > > And that something is enough for CODE to respond in force against it. 😃 The only thing we do is laugh at them ---
**Author:** ![Mingja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mingja/32/50857_2.png) [@Mingja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mingja)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/192 "2018-09-24T10:47:28Z")
To me, gankers are the lowest of the lowest and they pick easy targets because they are afraid of actual fights. Ever called a carebear a carebear? Gankers are just that. Risk-Averse PvP-Bears. With that said, I still think they have a place in the game. Definately. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/193 "2018-09-24T10:48:14Z")
This is literally any change that is made. I can only think of a few changes recently where players weren’t up in arms. Look what just happened with the HIC change and now the ECM change. Far more vocal than gankers. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/195 "2018-09-24T10:51:34Z")
An unsolicited voice message sent to a personal mailbox is worse than an anon message on a page yes. Can you give an example of what you mean if Ive misunderstood you? At the end of the day we probably will have to agree to disagree because I have not seen what you say in EvE and you have not seen what I say in WoT. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/197 "2018-09-24T11:01:47Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > That’s a description of the situation as it is matey. Sorry if it upsets you. I’m not upset, just disappointed by the lack of arguments you add to the discussion. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It really doesn;t matter what arguments people put towards you, people like yourself will reject any suggestion to make your chosen gamplay style more difficult. Maybe, but we can hardly test this hypothesis of yours if all you do is ad-hominem attacks rather than providing actual arguments or even evidence that what you want to change is actually a problem. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/199 "2018-09-24T11:04:59Z")
> [@Rivr\_Luzade](#): > > And gankers demanding lower freighter HP although freighter (E)HP is already the lowest it has ever been? I am pretty sure there are _fine_ people on both sides. Feel free to provide some evidence for this if you want to be taken seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Eve\_Griefer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eve_griefer/32/277788_2.png) [@Eve\_Griefer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eve_Griefer)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/201 "2018-09-24T11:06:57Z")
> [@Rivr\_Luzade](#): > > You can just declare war against the structure owner(s) and destroy their structures. We’re already ahead of you. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/204 "2018-09-24T11:11:01Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > gankers have this weird desperate need to shut down any discussion. I actually dont see your evidence for this. You just appear to be being prejorative against one play style in order to stir up an argument. Id refer to be wrong about that, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/206 "2018-09-24T11:13:16Z")
I havent seen a post on Minerbumping which wasnt deserved, sorry. Given what the so called victims say when they get blown up in this game, they are the ones who should be banned in most cases, because they are the ones breaking the EULA. ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/207 "2018-09-24T11:14:40Z")
Haven’t had a good bonus room in a while good times ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482/208 "2018-09-24T11:15:06Z")
I would say you’re being a little unfair really. If you look at most topics concerning ganking nerfs propositions, you’ll find: - The OP typically has a very limited experience and knowledge of ganking mechanics - The situation(s) / examples are blown out of proportion - The thread is started with extreme aggression right from the start So consider the above with the fact that every week we get recycled threads with the same outcomes. It’s not really about shutting down discussion around the subject, but more like this has been discussed a million times and the last thread was locked so why try again? * * * **Did you know that in the comments of one of the posts I was featured in on Minerbumping that someone commented on it wishing harm to my daughter?** [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-or-rather-the-right-to-gank/104482.md?page=10)