# Ganking pay back **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [March 12, 2021, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974 "2021-03-12T08:02:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974/167 "2021-04-12T20:26:03Z")
Wow, poor Rion. He was a nice guy… ((( I think he quit the game. He lost his only spaceship, a Venture. I didn’t gank him because he was a poor, and a newble, but ‘antigankers’ just couldn’t resist griefing him. (((((( ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974/168 "2021-04-12T20:31:16Z")
I was going to bring him a new Venture, but when I was flying it over, I saw anti-gankers carrying out a ganking operation in Uedama, so I had to log off and wait them out. Unfortunately, that took too much time, and I wasn’t able to deliver the Venture to Rion in time before he expired. Pray for me. Pray for Rion. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974/169 "2021-04-12T20:41:44Z")
_Rion, rion, poor sad miner_ _Princess Aiko held your little hand_ _Rion, rion, poor dead miner_ _Spacebully griefers deserve to be banned_ _He came to Isanamo, looking for Veld_ _Say his name, oh its Rion_ _He was a noob, and just wanted to be held_ _Say his name, oh its Rion_ _He met his friend, Aiko the fair_ _She told him he could mine_ _And so, Rion would not despair_ _Alas, ‘antigankers’ are not benign_ _Rion, rion, little noob in a Vent_ _‘antigankers’ smote him dead_ _They didn’t even let him pay rent_ _They just shot him in the head_ _Never forget little miners_ _Nice guy gankers won’t kill them_ _But evil ‘antigankers’ give them shiners_ _It’s a crime we must condemn_ ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974/170 "2021-04-12T20:45:31Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/4/a/a4ae1d040cf8c9eaa0062facb75e91dc42ffb772.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 1:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974/171 "2021-04-13T01:53:14Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I didn’t gank him because he was a poor, and a newble ![images.jpeg-2](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/2/b/52b8143d5d7f59f24561e82c874f7db7e2fec657.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974/172 "2021-04-13T02:52:38Z")
This Rion stuff is low brow silly even viewing it through a role playing lens. Its not even clever. Or even humorous. Its just absurd. Pretty much the same with calling anti-ganking “ganking by another name”. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 3:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974/173 "2021-04-13T03:10:22Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Pretty much the same with calling anti-ganking “ganking by another name” No one has done that. Antiganking is synonymous with incompetent, keystone cop capsuleers. Antigankers who gank though… well the evidence is in the killmails. The antigankers have become gankers, because the evidence shows they gank. #RememberRion ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 3:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974/174 "2021-04-13T03:12:49Z")
It makes sense though; I can see why Githany Red would choose to eliminate any highsec miners she finds. The minerals they mine usually end up in the public market, where they can be purchased and used to fabricate ships and modules that are then used by gankers. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 3:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974/175 "2021-04-13T03:14:08Z")
I fully support Githany’s choice to gank. There’s a little irony in the situation though. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 3:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974/176 "2021-04-13T03:15:42Z")
The antigankers should probably ask that highsec miners loyal to them provide evidence in their bio page. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 5:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974/177 "2021-04-13T05:00:56Z")
They should also collect regular fees. You can’t fund a police force without taxes, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 5:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974/178 "2021-04-13T05:01:03Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > No one has done that. This person has: > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > In fact, I think it’s the opposite; anti-gankers are _exceptionally-successful_ gankers. And so did you: > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > The antigankers have become gankers, because the evidence shows they gank. Look, “anti-gankers” is just a label. Its not a definition in itself. Targeted ganking for the purpose of anti-ganking makes perfect sense. Its like creating a back burn to stop a forest fire spreading. What we have here now is like saying firefighters are arsonists for doing it. Its completely off the rails bat ship. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 5:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974/179 "2021-04-13T05:02:29Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You can’t fund a police force without taxes, after all. Yes you can. There are donation systems. In this case we have volunteers who fund themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 5:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974/180 "2021-04-13T05:10:47Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Look, “anti-gankers” is just a label. Its not a definition in itself. Targeted ganking for the purpose of anti-ganking makes perfect sense. Its like creating a back burn to stop a forest fire spreading. What we have here now is like saying firefighters are arsonists for doing it. Its completely off the rails bat ship. So you’re saying that ganking isn’t an amoral act, since it’s not something that needs to be avoided on those principles? Interesting. 🤔 > [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > You can’t fund a police force without taxes, after all. > > Yes you can. There are donation systems. > > In this case we have volunteers who fund themselves. Seems like that wouldn’t create a very impartial system. “Give me a bigger donation, and I’ll kick over some extra help for you” instead of having a system in which everyone gets a salary and can’t exploit the system for personal gain. You know, the very reason they made firefighting a government-controlled profession in the 19th century? Just a single example. ---
**Author:** ![R-0-B-0-C-O-P](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/r-0-b-0-c-o-p/32/474175_2.png) [@R-0-B-0-C-O-P](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/R-0-B-0-C-O-P)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 6:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974/181 "2021-04-13T06:39:56Z")
You’re absolutely right! Without taxes it easily turns into extortion. I’ve even seen it with my own eyes when ag would ask for financial compensation before helping the target. If I remember correctly he said something like, “■■■■■■■ idiot can die if he doesn’t pay for help”. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 6:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974/182 "2021-04-13T06:42:55Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Yes you can. There are donation systems. > > In this case we have volunteers who fund themselves. We have people who fund us too😊 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974/183 "2021-04-13T07:08:43Z")
I remember when little Rion came back to station, with his first full load of Veldspar. He was so happy, and then the antigankers came… I guess I’ll have to fight fire with fire. The ‘antigankers’ are out there, killing innocent newbro Ventures, without any warning! Meanwhile, they are getting ‘donations’ from bot miners. Well, two can play this ‘ganking’ game. I will learn to gank their bots, and that’ll teach em! ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974/184 "2021-04-13T07:10:02Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > This person has: Destiny (and others including me) is talking about antigankers (ie. the players/characters). You talked about antiganking (ie. what they claim to do). Here’s your quote: > [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Pretty much the same with calling anti-ganking “ganking by another name”. No one is calling antiganking by another name. We are saying (rightly) that they aren’t antigankers. They are ganking and are gankers. ---
**Author:** ![R-0-B-0-C-O-P](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/r-0-b-0-c-o-p/32/474175_2.png) [@R-0-B-0-C-O-P](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/R-0-B-0-C-O-P)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974/185 "2021-04-13T07:20:35Z")
This is getting philosophical… which came first the ganker or the anti-ganker? I believe the answer is the anti-ganker. Ganking is the natural response to the fundamental belief system of those that just wish to mine and run their bots in peace. So gankers were born to combat the most evil and dastardly players in this game. Just something to think about… ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974/186 "2021-04-13T08:00:02Z")
> [@R-0-B-0-C-O-P](#): > > You’re absolutely right! Without taxes it easily turns into extortion Hehe fitting [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/e/5/7e5b776d647508b92f2f901414afbbec6294bd47.jpeg "Welcome to the Private Police | A Bit of Fry and Laurie | BBC") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLfghLQE3F4) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ganking-pay-back/299974.md?page=10)