# Garry's Great Abyssal Guide: solved ships & fits to run L5 abyssal sites! **URL:** \ **Category:** PvE Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [June 2, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214 "2018-06-02T22:04:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Alexi\_Stokov](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@Alexi\_Stokov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alexi_Stokov)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214/123 "2018-10-09T09:55:06Z")
> [@Katie\_Oxifor](#): > > Guys and girls, anyone tried to run “firestorms” in a Sacrilege ? Done about 100 T5 darks in it, a bit tired. Was the payout of 100 runs worth it? ---
**Author:** ![Katie\_Oxifor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katie_oxifor/32/99237_2.png) [@Katie\_Oxifor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katie_Oxifor)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214/125 "2018-10-12T13:31:02Z")
it was ---
**Author:** ![Hanazava\_Karyna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hanazava_karyna/32/204340_2.png) [@Hanazava\_Karyna](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hanazava_Karyna)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 5:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214/126 "2018-10-23T05:17:20Z")
link’s dead, few days now. ---
**Author:** ![Antoni\_Prabani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/antoni_prabani/32/101005_2.png) [@Antoni\_Prabani](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Antoni_Prabani)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214/127 "2018-10-26T07:42:46Z")
I have a question… For example i do gamma abbysal and it has lover resist against explo dmg. This minus is only for my ship or it works also for enemy? ---
**Author:** ![Anize\_Oramara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anize_oramara/32/206986_2.png) [@Anize\_Oramara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anize_Oramara)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214/128 "2018-10-30T11:43:01Z")
Applies to NPC rats too yes. ---
**Author:** ![Grayclay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grayclay/32/193817_2.png) [@Grayclay](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grayclay)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214/129 "2018-10-30T16:07:05Z")
Do you have a less blinged L4 fit? I don’t want the stress of 5’s or to spend the money on all the extra implants and boosters and stuff for them. ---
**Author:** ![Mannochmore](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mannochmore/32/207312_2.png) [@Mannochmore](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mannochmore)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214/130 "2018-10-30T17:25:34Z")
Looking for the same thing. Safest, budget T4 fit. If there are a few filaments to avoid that’s ok but running them all would be a plus. ---
**Author:** ![Katie\_Oxifor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katie_oxifor/32/99237_2.png) [@Katie\_Oxifor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katie_Oxifor)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214/131 "2018-11-02T09:39:59Z")
About budget fits, don’t try them. Because one day you will end up against quite a few neuting ships and you will die. ---
**Author:** ![techzer0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/techzer0/32/101314_2.png) [@techzer0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/techzer0)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2018, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214/132 "2018-11-02T18:47:11Z")
> [@Katie\_Oxifor](#): > > About budget fits, don’t try them. Because one day you will end up against quite a few neuting ships and you will die. Use a fit that can’t be neuted. Problem solved. ---
**Author:** ![Mannochmore](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mannochmore/32/207312_2.png) [@Mannochmore](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mannochmore)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214/133 "2018-11-03T05:55:05Z")
Please post some tried and true fits for L4s. Tks ---
**Author:** ![Blind\_Irony](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blind_irony/32/103369_2.png) [@Blind\_Irony](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Blind_Irony)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 6:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214/134 "2018-11-08T06:08:18Z")
I’m going to try this out. This thread is all over the place on what works and doesn’t, but I can afford to lose a vaga as opposed to a 3billion isk gila. What filament is this ship best at? And you really don’t use faction afterburner or gyros? It seems so cost effective. I still haven’t tried an abyssal yet so I’ll be starting on T1. ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Sebiestar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_sebiestar/32/502522_2.png) [@Mina\_Sebiestar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Sebiestar)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214/135 "2018-11-08T08:35:28Z")
> [@Blind\_Irony](#): > > so I’ll be starting on T1. That vaga will certainly carry you thru L1 what i forgot to ask owner of that fit is at what tier lvl if at all halo set is mandatory. [Vagabond, Vagabond Mk I] Assault Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Domination Gyrostabilizer Domination Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery Federation Navy Stasis Webifier 425mm AutoCannon II 425mm AutoCannon II Auto Targeting System II 425mm AutoCannon II 425mm AutoCannon II 425mm AutoCannon II Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II Hobgoblin II x5 Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M x685 Barrage M x3200 Republic Fleet EMP M x3105 Hail M x4200 Republic Fleet Fusion M x2320 Nanite Repair Paste x30 AB+Booster on cap stable 70%. This is what i took for a spin about month ago and last night @ current jita prices its 900mill complete with ammo fair bit of bling and implants are required just to sit in it i butchered one of my incursion clones so it isn’t really on it peak performance example: it uses hybrid dmg implant still that is waste to destroy. It didn’t die yet i did 15ish l4 in it about same amount of l3s still looking for a reason to activate damage control. If i decide to take on l5s i need to butcher that clone out of hybrid implant and start carrying some potent drugs in cargo hold i dont use any atm going in abyssal space w just paste as backup isn’t ideal just keep em in hold cant hurt. ---
**Author:** ![erg\_cz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erg_cz/32/392645_2.png) [@erg\_cz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/erg_cz)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214/136 "2018-11-08T11:22:28Z")
Tier 1 can be done in any cruiser. In Tier 4 you will be ablle to apply damage way later than a drone / missile ship. Auto targeting system will not help you much, nosferatu - yes. Having resistance rigs in environment, that has weather effects? What help will you get from Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer in Firestorm? But it is not the main problem with Vagabond in Abyss. I stoped using it when I saw way too many “your autocannon missed XXX” when I was shooting in half falloff. Autocannons is not a good idea cause you will need more time to get in range to apply any reasonable DPS, reasonable for T4, of cause… I think it is a good idea to start using same ship in T1 as you will in T5. If passive Gila - you can try that 450 milion fit in Tier 1 or 2: [Gila, Abyss for poor] C3-A ‘Hivaa Saitsuo’ Ballistic Control System Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II 10MN Afterburner II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Medium Ghoul Compact Energy Nosferatu Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Hammerhead II x2 Infiltrator II x2 Valkyrie II x2 Valkyrie II x2 Vespa II x2 For higher tier you use faction / dead space modules, C3-X instead of C3-A etc… T5 is tricky - you need some serious boosters and pray not to get bad spawns. I rather stay in T4, which can be blitzed in 10-15 minutes if I use blinged version of it. There is a dual rep active armor Sacriledge fit out , you should be able to find it in Sutonia videos. You can do T3 dark filaments in drone boat like that but for T4/T5 you need to help your drones tracking, cause they tend to orbit NPC at same range but their optimal is way shorter, so they do not hit. ---
**Author:** ![Grayclay](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grayclay/32/193817_2.png) [@Grayclay](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grayclay)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214/137 "2018-11-08T16:03:11Z")
Lmao this happened basically on my first T4 run, I hit a 6x neut wave and died instantly. ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Sebiestar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_sebiestar/32/502522_2.png) [@Mina\_Sebiestar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Sebiestar)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214/138 "2018-11-08T16:31:33Z")
> [@erg\_cz](#): > > What help will you get from Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer in Firestorm? It helps in ANY site where drifter spawns so that BS way out there wont punch you in a face with it omni damage on approach or to force you to use assault damage control just for him due to glaring resist hole. > [@erg\_cz](#): > > In Tier 4 you will be ablle to apply damage way later than a drone / missile ship This is how different weapon systems work…yes. Not everything can be Gila nor should it be i have 4-5 abyssal runners(gila included) this vaga is one of them and largest reason for a vagabond is it will take loki spot in a orca a loki that is best in missile configuration and that i use as events ship when one is up while doing incursions. Since it is missile ship it do not benefit from implants(same apply to gila or any non projectile boat) from my incursion clone, this vaga will except large projectile turret implant, plus loki cant dive in abyssal space.Bonus point they are same size unpacked=easy switch in crowded orca maintenance bay i am not carrying fat ass gila anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![erg\_cz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erg_cz/32/392645_2.png) [@erg\_cz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/erg_cz)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2018, 8:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214/139 "2018-11-09T08:16:03Z")
> [@Mina\_Sebiestar](#): > > largest reason for a vagabond is it will take loki spot in a orca That is your logistical problem , which has nothing to do with effectivity of Abyss running ship. Right tool to do the job - thats what they are looking in this thread, IMHO. Btw, since heavy neutron blasters on Eagle have same range as factional webifier, I would probably use Eagle over Vagabond as brawling Abyss runner. Something like [that.](https://zkillboard.com/kill/70344934/) ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Sebiestar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_sebiestar/32/502522_2.png) [@Mina\_Sebiestar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Sebiestar)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2018, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214/140 "2018-11-09T08:56:06Z")
I was responding to a vagabond post with a vagabond fit not saying it is a best tool for a job but a tool that get the job done nonetheless While vaga can kill with ease over 20km eagle cant it moves at snail pace under prop mod anything that break away from your web needed to be chased down “slowly” or catching it with OH web.same goes with closing the gap on drifter BS or Leshak battlegroups…it worked for me but presented with choice would go vaga. ---
**Author:** ![techzer0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/techzer0/32/101314_2.png) [@techzer0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/techzer0)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2018, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214/141 "2018-11-09T14:40:09Z")
> [@Blind\_Irony](#): > > I’m going to try this out. It will do up to T4. I use Ildrara’s fit. They are listed in the Abyss channel often. You need HG Halos for T5. Still a lot cheaper than a lg or hg crystal gila fit. ---
**Author:** ![WolfeReign](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wolfereign/32/33609_2.png) [@WolfeReign](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WolfeReign)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2018, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214/142 "2018-11-09T21:12:14Z")
This is what I have been using for T4 dark sites. As a disclaimer I have max applicable skill for this fit and I recommend you do too if you want to do this within the timer limits. If you don’t have near perfect missiles / cruiser / HAC skills I recommend you stay with T3 Dark sites. My fitting spends a lot of slots to ensure Nuet wave survival and damage application. With my skills I still get ~640 dps with Navy and ~784 dps with Rage. You can compensate a bit by using faction BCU but those get expensive really fast. There are other varieties of this that do a little bit more damage but they suffer from poor damage application (even with web) and are more susceptible to nuet waves. Use navy ammo when going into pockets too quickly take out frigates. Your damage priority should be Nuet Frig \> Nuet Battleship \> Heavily Damaged Battleships \> Web frigates \> every other frigate. Then when you near your next reload switch to the T2 Rage and focus the battleships down. Save the web drones for nuet waves and just burn straight to the can in every pocket. Once you are more comfortable dealing with Nuet waves and feel confident…you can switch out the Capacitor Control Circuit II with a Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II for more dps. * * * [Cerberus, T4 Dark] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Reactor Control Unit II 10MN Afterburner II Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Thukker Large Cap Battery Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II Warrior SW-300 x3 Inherent Implants ‘Squire’ Capacitor Systems Operation EO-603 Zainou ‘Snapshot’ Heavy Assault Missiles AM-703 Zainou ‘Deadeye’ Guided Missile Precision GP-803 Zainou ‘Deadeye’ Target Navigation Prediction TN-903 Zainou ‘Deadeye’ Rapid Launch RL-1003 Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile x3000 Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile x3000 Nanite Repair Paste x100 * * * I havn’t tested the T5 Dark but if you switch the AB, Invuln, and Ballistic Controls for Faction/Deadspace it should work fine. Maybe need a crystal set for T5 not sure. ---
**Author:** ![Katie\_Oxifor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katie_oxifor/32/99237_2.png) [@Katie\_Oxifor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katie_Oxifor)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214/143 "2018-11-10T20:55:36Z")
> **[WolfeReign](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WolfeReign)** You will die with this fit. Below is an example of a neuting spawn. This one isn’t the worst one. The worst one I had was around 12-15 neuting cruisers. Even with a Sacrilege with drugs + implants it was scary. That is the fit I was using. Stopped running abysses because I lost interest. Made around 15-20 bils profit. But…it’s not an interesting thing to do. Easier to buy couple plexes. [Sacrilege, Into the Abyss] Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer 10MN Abyssal Afterburner Large Abyssal Cap Battery Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Dark Blood Medium Energy Nosferatu Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II Valkyrie II x5 Hammerhead II x5 High-grade Asklepian Alpha High-grade Asklepian Beta High-grade Asklepian Gamma High-grade Asklepian Delta High-grade Asklepian Epsilon High-grade Asklepian Omega Zainou ‘Snapshot’ Heavy Assault Missiles AM-705 Zainou ‘Deadeye’ Guided Missile Precision GP-805 Zainou ‘Deadeye’ Target Navigation Prediction TN-905 Zainou ‘Deadeye’ Rapid Launch RL-1005 Standard Exile Booster Standard Crash Booster Agency ‘Pyrolancea’ DB7 Dose III ![neuts](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/a/6ae2a5e120cf69927e2cac288d9aa91efe367c0f.jpeg) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/garrys-great-abyssal-guide-solved-ships-fits-to-run-l5-abyssal-sites/80214.md?page=8)