# Getting bumped in a freight highsec should make the bumper flagged **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [March 3, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636 "2019-03-03T17:02:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/446 "2019-05-02T14:54:18Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I actually used the word difficult. And I did not fall for it. It’s only difficult as long as no one masters is. Once it is mastered you will claim it is “too easy” again and it has to made “more difficult” again. You will not be satisfied until it is so annoying that it can’t be mastered. So why not skip all that and talk about what you really want, to make it so annoying that no one wants to bump anymore. Agreed? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/447 "2019-05-02T14:55:00Z")
Most people agree that manual piloting is the hardest thing to do well. Dracvlad wants it to be nerfed, because he is too lazy to learn the skill. How about instead, we nerf mining. No skill = no reward. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/448 "2019-05-02T14:58:41Z")
You used the term annoying, I want it super difficult, which you of course define as annoying. I want bumping to be situational in that you cannot bump someone for hours, I have made it pretty clear. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Most people agree that manual piloting is the hardest thing to do well. > > Dracvlad wants it to be nerfed, because he is too lazy to learn the skill. > > How about instead, we nerf mining. No skill = no reward. It is too easy now to bump someone for hours. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/449 "2019-05-02T15:01:54Z")
Dracvlad, when was the last time you bumped a freighter for hours? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/450 "2019-05-02T15:02:22Z")
I did it on the test server for an hour and a half, does that count? It was a couple of years back, I don’t have access to the Test server currently. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/451 "2019-05-02T15:02:24Z")
> “Deliberate bumping is violence” Just say meow. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/452 "2019-05-02T15:03:03Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I did it on the test server for an hour and a half, does that count? No. Of course not. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/453 "2019-05-02T15:03:53Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > No. Of course not. Of course you would say that. In any case if I can do it then it can’t be that difficult. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/454 "2019-05-02T15:04:32Z")
Dracvlad, you’ve never even done it, but you think you can do it? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/455 "2019-05-02T15:05:20Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Dracvlad, you’ve never even done it, but you think you can do it? I have never done it on TQ, but have on the test server. I will keep repeating that if you want. As I said if I can do it anyone can. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/456 "2019-05-02T15:05:25Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > if I can do it But you didn’t in game…do that in game, film it and post that…until then, just words. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/457 "2019-05-02T15:05:37Z")
The test server doesn’t count you nimwit. “I’ve completed one combat op… simulated.” ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/458 "2019-05-02T15:06:00Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > But you didn’t in game…do that in game, film it and post that…until, words. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > The test server doesn’t count you nimwit. Does for me. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/459 "2019-05-02T15:06:42Z")
Well, what convinces you, doesn’t appear to be convincing anyone else here. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/460 "2019-05-02T15:06:42Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > You used the term annoying, I want it super difficult, which you of course define as annoying. I want bumping to be situational in that you cannot bump someone for hours, I have made it pretty clear. If I remember correctly you always argue about bumping makes ganking too easy and that does not involve bumping for hours. So no, it’s still not clear what you want. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/461 "2019-05-02T15:07:56Z")
Dracvlad wants high-sec mining to be safe, so he can farm AFK. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/462 "2019-05-02T15:08:33Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Well, what convinces you, doesn’t appear to be convincing anyone else here. I have nothing to prove, as far as I am concerned because I could do it it is not that difficult. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > If I remember correctly you always argue about bumping makes ganking too easy and that does not involve bumping for hours. So no, it’s still not clear what you want. I don’t mind if one or two bumps stop a warp, but after that, nope, I used the word situational for a reason. Does that help? > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Dracvlad wants high-sec mining to be safe, so he can farm AFK. LOL bumping = hisec mining, wonderful mental gymnastics, the balance on miner ganking is about right. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/463 "2019-05-02T15:10:18Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I could do it it is not that difficult. Ok, so… when you ran your simulation on the test server, who was the freighter pilot that you bumped for over an hour? I know you wanted to test this under realistic conditions, so you naturally asked a skilled pilot to test this with you? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/464 "2019-05-02T15:11:20Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Ok, so… when you ran your simulation on the test server, who was the freighter pilot that you bumped for over an hour? I know you wanted to test this under realistic conditions, so you naturally asked a skilled pilot to test this with you? It was only really important when I tested the Bowhead. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/465 "2019-05-02T15:11:34Z")
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