# Getting bumped in a freight highsec should make the bumper flagged **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [March 3, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636 "2019-03-03T17:02:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/486 "2019-05-03T07:24:21Z")
> [@NotTheSmartestCookie](#): > > lol, you cannot counterbump while docked in a station or mining three regions away. Yes, you actually have to commit some effort. But once you do that it isn’t very hard. What I am doing now is irrelevant, and is typical deflection. > [@NotTheSmartestCookie](#): > > And good to see you admit that freighters being bumped for hours on end isn’t actually what you are worried about, after you spending most of the thread setting that up as a straw man argument on why bumping needs to be nerfed by CCP. Pathetic, if bumping is removed or made so that it is very situational and not possible to bump for more than a couple of bumps then the balance will be correct. The benefit to you lot is that over time people will move bigger cargos and you will get more enjoyable group and counter play around key gates. But you don’t want that, you want Farmville on line. PS Keep at it as It makes me able to make these points again and again. ---
**Author:** ![NotTheSmartestCookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/notthesmartestcookie/32/168266_2.png) [@NotTheSmartestCookie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NotTheSmartestCookie)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 7:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/487 "2019-05-03T07:30:36Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Keep at it as It makes me able to make these points again and again. It is obvious you are not susceptible to any argument, like a socialst who keeps demanding we try murdering another 100m people until we get socialism right. But my posts are for the education of other readers of the forum ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/488 "2019-05-03T07:31:28Z")
> [@NotTheSmartestCookie](#): > > It is obvious you are not susceptible to any argument, like a socialst who keeps demanding we try murdering another 100m people until we get socialism right. > But my posts are for the education of other readers of the forum There is a statue of Stalin in Montpelier, I have promised myself that the next time I go there I will go and piss on it. My wife’s grandfather lost almost his entire family to Stalin. But I tend to think that you lot have views akin to the robber baron type so called capitalists that screwed up in the 20’s in the USA with their monopolies which have really given capitalism a very bad name and of course the current state of capitalism which is not capitalism at all. Crony capitalism anyone… My point of view is not going to be changed by simplistic trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 7:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/489 "2019-05-03T07:45:48Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I bumped an NCDOT. JF out of optimal in Niarja so Miniluv could not kill it and then he was able to cyno out, so yes I have bumped a freighter class on TQ. You know that’s not what I’m talking about > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I have done a little counter bumping and have also bumped a Miniluv freighter in a combat fit Macheriel a few times which is not effective. And I have tested how easy bumping is on a freighter on the test server a couple of years back with a properly fit Macherial and spent a couple of days on it. > > If you don’t believe me so what, I am not going to lose any beauty sleep over it. So since it’s so easy you’re going to take me up on my wager and get 50bil for half an hour of bumping right? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I am saying that currently bumping is not hard, but it takes a little skill a certain amount of practice and understanding. Then don’t be a little ■■■■■. Put 50bil or more up and show your theory in practice as you make me look stupid as my freighter doesn’t warp away for that half an hour > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Your bet is pure vanity deflection bullshite, though you did admit that it is not super hard which is at least something out that pile of horse manure. I’m 100% serious, just like you’re 100% sure I’ll win the wager. Any sane person would take me up on the offer if they believed in their convictions Bumping is so easy and you can never stop it unless the bumper decides to stop, so come make a fool of me and make a quick 50bil (or any amount upto 300bil). ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/490 "2019-05-03T07:48:12Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > You know that’s not what I’m talking about Be more specific then. > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > So since it’s so easy you’re going to take me up on my wager and get 50bil for half an hour of bumping right? Not interested. > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > Then don’t be a little ■■■■■. Put 50bil or more up and show your theory in practice as you make me look stupid as my freighter doesn’t warp away for that half an hour Not interested. > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > I’m 100% serious, just like you’re 100% sure I’ll win the wager. Any sane person would take me up on the offer if they believed in their convictions Not interested. It is pure deflection to push your own ego and vanity. > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > Bumping is so easy and you can never stop it unless the bumper decides to stop, so come make a fool of me and make a quick 50bil (or any amount upto 300bil). What next 1v1’s at the sun? ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/491 "2019-05-03T07:53:21Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Not interested. And here we arrive at the end. If you thought you’d win, you would DEFINITELY take my wager. Whenever you post from now on, anyone on the forum can just link these posts and this thread and anything they quoted you saying is proved invalid. You have no backbone and you know you’re wrong. So sad. CODE. ALWAYS wins. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 7:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/492 "2019-05-03T07:59:57Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > And here we arrive at the end. > > If you thought you’d win, you would DEFINITELY take my wager. It is irrelevant. And I am now busy observing my intended war targets, incidentally one of my objectives is to see that CODE fort in Niarja get blown into tiny pixels… > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > Whenever you post from now on, anyone on the forum can just link these posts and this thread and anything they quoted you saying is proved invalid. You have no backbone and you know you’re wrong. So sad. Whatever, it is pure deflection, in fact saying thirty minutes makes my point rather well for me. > [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > CODE. ALWAYS wins. If you say so… ---
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/493 "2019-05-03T08:43:00Z")
Here you can find a more elegant solution for the possibility to exploit bumping mechanic in the case of very slow align ships, like freighters: > [@Permabumping fix](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/permabumping-fix/156597): > > We all know that players experience is very important, and that mechanics who put the players in situations who make them feel that they cannot take any action are very frustrating. For example, the situation of players being jammed and being unable to do anything against it was addressed by a drastic change of the game mechanics. Previously devs also looked for a solution for being perma-bumped in a freighter, and with no other game mechanic available to get out from that situation they tried … ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/495 "2019-05-03T09:23:37Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > It’s a 8bil structure you loser. You’ve been talking about that for like a year, man up and do something for once All in good time, you are not very patient are you. Some silly meme, thirty minutes huh, too much control… ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/496 "2019-05-03T10:15:00Z")
> [@Australian\_Excellence](#): > > CODE. ALWAYS wins. Amen to that… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/497 "2019-05-03T13:36:37Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > incidentally one of my objectives is to see that CODE fort in Niarja get blown into tiny pixels… Should be easy. We have to routinely refuel the fortizar and restock it with new Catalysts. We use a freighter for that. All you have to do is bump the freighter, which you can do right? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/498 "2019-05-03T13:38:14Z")
Perhaps I can trick him into a web duel? ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/499 "2019-05-03T13:42:24Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > And I am now busy observing my intended war targets, incidentally one of my objectives is to see that CODE fort in Niarja get blown into tiny pixels… I guess that means you are just watching and hoping someone else does something? Like the last time? > [@Forget Hulkageddon rofl](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/forget-hulkageddon/112558/5): > > But it seems that the Initiative are now on you, this is going to be fun to watch. Goodbye to your Fortizars…. smile Niarja fort slight_smile Which went really well: [War 621345 | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/war/621345/) Or do you plan to have an active part in it this time or just watching CODE. win again from the safety of the docking ring? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/500 "2019-05-03T13:44:34Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > > So since it’s so easy you’re going to take me up on my wager and get 50bil for half an hour of bumping right? > > Not interested. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/501 "2019-05-03T13:54:18Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > I guess that means you are just watching and hoping someone else does something? Like the last time? Well the Initiative were a bit ineffective which was surprising for an alliance which is normally so effective and innovative. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Or do you plan to have an active part in it this time or just watching CODE. win again from the safety of the docking ring? Was that Initiative thing actually active on their part, it does not look like it, in any case did I say I was involved in that? I did say watch after all! ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/502 "2019-05-03T13:54:37Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > 🤣 not interested… ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/503 "2019-05-03T14:01:31Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Well the Initiative were a bit ineffective which was surprising for an alliance which is normally so effective and innovative. Given that we know that wardecs HEAVILY favor the attackers (CCP said so) the win CODE. achieved as the defenders against this normally so “effective and innovative” alliance is even more glorious. Wouldn’t you agree? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Was that Initiative thing actually active on their part, it does not look like it, in any case did I say I was involved in that? I did say watch after all! It was super clear that you are not involved. I asked if you are involved this time around as it wasn’t clear if you are or if you just hope someone will do something. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/504 "2019-05-03T14:04:04Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Given that we know that wardecs HEAVILY favor the attackers (CCP said so) the win CODE. achieved as the defenders against this normally so “effective and innovative” alliance is even more glorious. Wouldn’t you agree? I suspect that this was more to do with defending a high level Initiative players own hisec indy setup and as such they met their objective, but of course that is not evident to people who can’t see below the obvious. Obviously I hoped it was more than that. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > It was super clear that you are not involved. I asked if you are involved this time around as it wasn’t clear if you are or if you just hope someone will do something. I said watching. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/505 "2019-05-03T14:09:57Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I suspect that this was more to do with defending a high level Initiative players own hisec indy setup and as such they met their objective, but of course that is not evident to people who can’t see below the obvious. They declared war on CODE. to defend some highlevel init player’s indy setup? Yeah not only did I not see that coming I’m obviously too dumb for this sort of logic. Good thing you explained it to us 👍 > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I said watching. Yeah just wanted to make sure. I already thought as much. Anything else would require putting “skin into the game”. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/506 "2019-05-03T14:14:59Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > They declared war on CODE. to defend their some highlevel init players indy setup? Yeah not only did I not see that coming I’m obviously too dumb for this sort of logic. Good thing you explained it to us 👍 Well you seem to think it was some sort of stonking victory, first of all they don’t care about passing ships getting blown up, however it is likely that someone high up in Initiative needed to defend something from Aaaargh’s structure bashing fleet and that was a way to scare him off at a guess on how it turned out. This type of thing happens quite often, basically Spectrum Alliance were defeated by Razor because of the same thing in Kador by high up alliance players bringing in their full alliance and paying PIRAT. They were obviously wanting to smash their opponent while I guess Initiative would not want to upset daddy Goon. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Yeah just wanted to make sure. I already thought as much. Anything else would require putting “skin into the game”. I was watching and hoping it would get blown up at that point. What’s more to say? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636.md?page=24) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636.md?page=26)