# Getting bumped in a freight highsec should make the bumper flagged **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [March 3, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636 "2019-03-03T17:02:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/527 "2019-05-04T11:31:57Z")
Who am I projecting on? I make an observation on the fact that the cargo value is not very high due to over fishing and suggest that freighter gankers have screwed it by their over fishing. I could also add that this on the back of increased plex prices and of course boring solo game play. Do you understand what projecting is, it is when I say something like bumping is a poor mechanic and you come back at me and say you want 100% safety, that is projecting. Get smarter please as you are embarrassing yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Kaylee\_Rayl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaylee_rayl/32/130709_2.png) [@Kaylee\_Rayl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaylee_Rayl)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/528 "2019-05-04T11:56:49Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I make an observation on the fact that the cargo value is not very high due to over fishing and suggest that freighter gankers have screwed it by their over fishing. I could also add that this on the back of increased plex prices and of course boring solo game play. > > Do you understand what projecting is, it is when I say something like bumping is a poor mechanic and you come back at me and say you want 100% safety, that is projecting. šŸ˜† yeah, plex is rising because a few balloons are being bumped around space indefinitely. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Get smarter please as you are embarrassing yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/529 "2019-05-04T11:59:24Z")
Errā€¦everyoneā€¦you feel a certain way after ā€œanalizingā€ the data and you are not here to tell everyone how you feel about thatā€¦ > cargo value is not very high due to over fishing Please state your methodology that determined that there has been a drop in cargo value and also the methodology that determined that it was (if it is true) due to over fishing. Of was this all done on gut? > boring solo game play You are free to leave at any timeā€¦ > that is projecting Actually no that is notā€¦look it up. > Get smarter please as you are embarrassing yourself. Itā€™s amazing that you always need to go to ad hominemsā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/530 "2019-05-04T12:02:12Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I make an observation on the fact that the cargo value is not very high due to over fishing and suggest that freighter gankers have screwed it by their over fishing. I could also add that this on the back of increased plex prices and of course boring solo game play. Man, the stuff you just make up just to pretend you have an actual reason to hate on bumping/ganking is staggering. And obviousā€¦ and then you ask yourself why people call you out for just white knightingā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/531 "2019-05-04T12:08:31Z")
> [@Kaylee\_Rayl](#): > > šŸ˜† yeah, plex is rising because a few balloons are being bumped around space indefinitely. What are you going on about, you sound like dum dum. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/532 "2019-05-04T12:09:20Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Man, the stuff you just make up just to pretend you have an actual reason to hate on bumping/ganking is staggering. And obviousā€¦ and then you ask yourself why people call you out for just white knightingā€¦ Bumping is a poor mechanic and all you can do is throw the white knight thingy at me, git gud pleaseā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/533 "2019-05-04T12:13:58Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Bumping is a poor mechanic and all you can do is throw the white knight thingy at me, git gud pleaseā€¦ Itā€™s just an excuse so you think you sound reasonable when you hate on ganking. Your whining about DST looting and the wreck HP buff make it pretty obvious that this is just a poor anti-ganking meta game attempt. ---
**Author:** ![Kaylee\_Rayl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaylee_rayl/32/130709_2.png) [@Kaylee\_Rayl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaylee_Rayl)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/534 "2019-05-04T12:14:10Z")
Youā€™re funny! šŸ˜‹ ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/535 "2019-05-04T12:24:42Z")
When you wish to drive a fish to extinction, over-fishing is effective. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/536 "2019-05-04T13:02:14Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Itā€™s just an excuse so you think you sound reasonable when you hate on ganking. Your whining about DST looting and the wreck HP buff make it pretty obvious that this is just a poor anti-ganking meta game attempt. There is nothing wrong with ganking it is part of the game, miner ganking looks about right to me in terms of choice for miners compared to yield. Indy and hauler gankng looks about right too, especially options with the DST to make a very tough nut to crack. Freighter ganking would be OK without bumping, though I would think that a slight reduction in EHP could help in terms of developing group interest. So tell me again about my anti-ganking meta game attempt. I have an issue with bumping. Though I do admit that I find loot scooping via a DST a bit lame and I think I would toughen the security status to include loss of access to NPC stations. That is my point of view that I have detailed so often on these forums. > [@Kaylee\_Rayl](#): > > Youā€™re funny! šŸ˜‹ > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > When you wish to drive a fish to extinction, over-fishing is effective. It depends, would the factory trawling fleets give up with very small catches before the fish went tototally extinct, I get the impression we are at that point. > [@Kaylee\_Rayl](#): > > Youā€™re funny! šŸ˜‹ Actually I can be. ---
**Author:** ![NotTheSmartestCookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/notthesmartestcookie/32/168266_2.png) [@NotTheSmartestCookie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NotTheSmartestCookie)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/537 "2019-05-04T13:16:55Z")
> [@Kaylee\_Rayl](#): > > Youā€™re funny! šŸ˜‹ But it is mostly ā€œwhatā€™s that smellā€-funny. ---
**Author:** ![Kaylee\_Rayl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaylee_rayl/32/130709_2.png) [@Kaylee\_Rayl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaylee_Rayl)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/538 "2019-05-04T13:21:06Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > It depends, would the factory trawling fleets give up with very small catches before the fish went tototally extinct, I get the impression we are at that point. Thereā€™s about a lifetime of more trials before we get to that point of extinction, and Iā€™m thinking the Chinese will be next to join in this expedition. Speaking of which, I believe @Aiko_Danuja also has a fishing contest soon to take off. So youā€™ll be definitely kept in the loop, funny guy. šŸ˜ ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/539 "2019-05-04T13:29:21Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I have an issue with bumping. You have an issue with people playing as criminals. You think you have to stand up and defend the poor victims that suffer from this ā€œwrongā€ treatment. But equally you want to not appear like you are some kind of carebear so you pull this ā€œganking is fineā€ and ā€œI just want to make the game more interestingā€ and then suggest changes that do none of that at all but expect people to just buy it. You are fooling no one. The only thing you demonstrate is that you are somehow incapable of perceiving that everyone looks straight trough your charade. Itā€™s also a huge testament to a complete failing in-game that you are so desperately pushing the meta game route. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/540 "2019-05-04T13:39:51Z")
Does anybody read what Dracvlad writes, and realize it makes no rational sense? First he complains that ganking is too easy, its just farmville. Therefore miners need a buff so they can survive. Itā€™s like gankers are just walking around bashing penguins with a club. However, he then claims that even the elite gankers have given up, because they simply canā€™t find any worthy targets to shoot. Dracvlad says its pathetic how all gankers can do is kill the occasional billion isk freighter. Weā€™ve overfished the pond! However, the pond isnā€™t emptyā€¦ Look at all those those people in local, the blingy Orcas and Rattlesnakes and Raitarus and none of them are worth shooting? Could this mean that gankingā€¦ needs a buff? Maybe the pond hasnā€™t been overfished, maybe the fish are just too fat. What we need to do, is get a grenade, and throw it in the deep end. šŸ’£ Thar she blows! Aarrrrrr. šŸ“ā€ā˜ ļø ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/541 "2019-05-04T14:27:04Z")
> [@NotTheSmartestCookie](#): > > But it is mostly ā€œwhatā€™s that smellā€-funny. Can you smell when people type on a forum, you are a bit odd. šŸ˜› > [@Kaylee\_Rayl](#): > > Thereā€™s about a lifetime of more trials before we get to that point of extinction, and Iā€™m thinking the Chinese will be next to join in this expedition. Speaking of which, I believe @Aiko_Danuja also has a fishing contest soon to take off. So youā€™ll be definitely kept in the loop, funny guy. šŸ˜ You got to try to keep people interested. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > You have an issue with people playing as criminals. Projecting again. Where have I ever said I have issues with people playing as criminals? > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > You think you have to stand up and defend the poor victims that suffer from this ā€œwrongā€ treatment. Projecting again, where have I said this? Does expressing an opinion about game balance when it gets out of kilter equate to what you projected on me? > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > But equally you want to not appear like you are some kind of carebear Am I a carebear? You think I am a carebear, LMAO. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > so you pull this ā€œganking is fineā€ and ā€œI just want to make the game more interestingā€ I detailed my view on ganking and you go all emo on me. But I do want to make it more interesting for both sides in terms of this lame bumping mechanic. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > and then suggest changes that do none of that at all but expect people to just buy it. I would be happy to find some change that keeps situational bumping. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > You are fooling no one. You are fooling yourself. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > The only thing you demonstrate is that you are somehow incapable of perceiving that everyone looks straight trough your charade. And back to projecting again. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Itā€™s also a huge testament to a complete failing in-game that you are so desperately pushing the meta game route. I am not sure how I have failed in game, my wealth sits at around 285bn in total, I have never lost a ship to gankers, I have been in many PvP fights. I lost a thrasher once to Russian gankers, I guess there is my fail, well spotted sir! > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > First he complains that ganking is too easy, its just farmville. Bumping, I was saying that bumping makes freighter ganking too easy and like Farmville, see your typical sleight of hand. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > However, he then claims that even the elite gankers have given up, because they simply canā€™t find any worthy targets to shoot. Suggesting that this is part of their issue alongside boredom and of course increased cost of plex. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > However, the pond isnā€™t emptyā€¦ Look at all those those people in local, the blingy Orcas and Rattlesnakes and Raitarus and none of them are worth shooting? Could this mean that gankingā€¦ needs a buff? Maybe the pond hasnā€™t been overfished, maybe the fish are just too fat. I am very happy to see you shooting other stuff without bumping, keep doing it. What else can I say apart from after all that one of you will now throw 100% safety at me, ROFL! ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/542 "2019-05-04T14:32:42Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > > You have an issue with people playing as criminals. > > Projecting again. I mean, wtf Dracvlad. Do you even know what projection means? Surely you canā€™t be stupid enough to think that the people who support ganking are projecting unto you their secret innate hatred of ganking? You realize that 90% of what you say is equally nonsensical? You should go learn what projection is, before you use that word again. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > you will now throw 100% safety at me, Ok, so if bumping no longer is a way to stop freighters - how do you propose that we gank them without any bumping? You arenā€™t advocating 100% safety for freighters right, so how will we gank them without bumping them? Does every ganker need to increase their sec status and use a Tornado? Or what? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/543 "2019-05-04T14:37:50Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I mean, wtf Dracvlad. Do you even know what projection means? Surely you canā€™t be stupid enough to think that the people who support ganking are projecting unto you their secret innate hatred of ganking? You realize that 90% of what you say is equally nonsensical? You should go learn what projection is, before you use that word again. You did it above, when you said ganking and I said bumping, unless your brain decided to type ganking instead of bumping or perhaps you think the word means the same? Not sure what you are doing if you are not projectingā€¦ > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Ok, so if bumping no longer is a way to stop freighters - how do you propose that we gank them without any bumping? The same way that Australian Excellence ganked JFā€™s around Jita, it will change the way things operate pushing more group play. As for the sec status issue with fac police coming of after you, this will of course increase the consequences of ganking a little, you have to buy a few tags or harvest themselves, big deal. Is that going to stop you, I thought you guys were very good at adjusting your play or is that you just telling me that you can and in fact you canā€™t? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/544 "2019-05-04T14:42:13Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > if you are not projectingā€¦ Did you look up the definition of projecting? Apparently not. šŸ™„ > [@Dracvlad](#): > > The same way that Australian Excellence ganked JFā€™s around Jita Oh, well, I guess Australian Excellence did something so amazing that you canā€™t even articulate what he did. The manā€™s amazing, a true legend, it makes total sense to make things even harder for everyone. We need to keep raising the bar until even he is challenged to the utmost. Thatā€™s your plan, right? Well, what about noob gankers? They need to practice their bumping skills. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > this will of course increase the consequences of ganking a little, Ah, there it is, just another little change to make ganking more difficult - eh? Well, since Dracvlad is such a strong supporter of ganking, Iā€™m sure he understands what he is talking about. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I thought you guys were very good at adjusting your play We are, but in this case, we donā€™t have to. šŸ™ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/545 "2019-05-04T14:46:08Z")
I see you typing, donā€™t respond. Nobody wants to talk with you. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2019, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/546 "2019-05-04T14:47:25Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Did you look up the definition of projecting? Apparently not. You and others projecting that I want 100% safety or some rubbish like that, or that I want to end ganking, I am talking about bumping, but that is because you think in your mind that you cannot gank without bumping and that is projecting your own issues on me. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Oh, well, I guess Australian Excellence did something so amazing that you canā€™t even articulate what he did. Now you are being a try hard, I have the logs from one of his ganks, but what it does prove is that you donā€™t need to bump to gank whales. So you are saying without bumping we canā€™t gank and I am saying no that is wrong because look at what he did. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Ah, there it is, just another little change to make ganking more difficult - eh? Well, since Dracvladā€™s is such a strong supporter of ganking, Iā€™m sure he understands what he is talking about. So the consequences of the security status are a bit more meaningful in that you will have trouble with the fac police hanging around the gates and you have to buy tags, this will end ganking as we know it. Can you hear yourself, that is so weak and pathetic. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > We are, but in this case, we donā€™t have to. šŸ™ƒ Not yet, but when CCP get around to it. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I see you typing, donā€™t respond. Nobody wants to talk with you. But you do. As I said you people should have no issue with this if your insistance that you are good players and resourceful. but if that is just you talking yourselves up then git gud. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636.md?page=26) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636.md?page=28)