# Getting bumped in a freight highsec should make the bumper flagged **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [March 3, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636 "2019-03-03T17:02:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![NotTheSmartestCookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/notthesmartestcookie/32/168266_2.png) [@NotTheSmartestCookie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NotTheSmartestCookie)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/82 "2019-03-08T09:56:33Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > But imagine instead of a bump off, the freighter itself can have a prop mod, used smartly a mwd can dramatically speed up alignment, and let them avoid bumps or get back under control after one. Now imagine trying to catch it with that first bump while you are locking it, then having a two minute window to kill it with your one ship while it gets to fight back a bit, overheat its tank or prop etc in an attempt to escape. I’m not sure I’m following you there. What would cause the bumper to be able to shoot/kill the freighter, or does this scenario still assume a ready fleet of gankers? I get the feeling that you at least agree that a freighter should not be a transport-things-in-perfect-safety big box. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/83 "2019-03-08T10:35:34Z")
> [@NotTheSmartestCookie](#): > > What would cause the bumper to be able to shoot/kill the freighter, I’m talking about ganking the freighter still. Just that instead of only 15 seconds you get a lot longer meaning you don’t need an army of alts and it’s not close enough to a pure dps race vs the NPC’s to be treated as such. Because to do the kind of changes that are needed to make ganking less boring and more exciting, you need two things. You need longer, the longer a fight goes on the less you can simply do DPS maths and know you win, and the more unknown factors & player skill come into effect. And you need more actions per minute. Especially for the defending side. Too many APM and it becomes a twitch fest which isn’t Eve, but right now a freighter pilot can do zero actions once a gank starts. So they need things to do. And the obvious thing to give them to do is the ability to fight to defend themselves. I expect most to lose still of course. A freighter will still not be a combat ship so a decent combat ship will still kill it (just maybe not before concord timers if they have good pilot & player skill and a smart fit). A pair of them will do so easily I expect. But… here is where the unknown comes into effect. Start a gank in Niarja on a freighter for example. Right now it’s over in 15 seconds (give or take a little). This means people have to make a decision to intervene in less than 5 seconds, then 5 seconds (averagish) to lock unless using a special setup. And that only gives them 5 seconds to try and make enough difference. If the fight is instead 120 seconds… They can take 15 seconds deciding, 5 seconds to lock, and still have a full 100 seconds to make a difference. And that could be two other freighters deciding to jump in, which means again, it stops that whole alt army, and makes things like freighter convoys possible again, where each player is flying a freighter, and they just move as a group. Sure you can jump them with a larger group on your end also, but now we have a fight going on, and that becomes even more interesting and less predictable. Especially with the way neutral logi is about to get treated. And the longer gank timer + freighters having serious defences & weapons (& other haulers/industrial types)means that suicide catalysts may not be the best choice due to their lack of tank. Which allows for a lot more variety in the gank ships also. ---
**Author:** ![Shai\_Hulud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shai_hulud/32/279251_2.png) [@Shai\_Hulud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shai_Hulud)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/84 "2019-03-08T13:21:14Z")
Disclaimers: - I have suicide ganked hundreds of ships - I like suicide ganking - I’ve never died to a bump gank - I’ve died to ganks in general (being lazy), but I don’t mind Bumping freighters to gank them has always been lame. It doesn’t fit with the rest of the rules for high-sec. at all. It effectively amounts to tackling a ship without penalty. It’s completely disingenuous to claim that “CCP can’t fix it”. They can, and should. I suspect most that defend it do so because it’s one of the few ways to reliably find non-consensual PvP targets in high sec. This, I sympathise with. Any nerf to bump ganking should be matched by new or expanded mechanics for non-consensual PvP in high sec. ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2019, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/85 "2019-03-08T20:17:17Z")
War Dec spammers have been dealt a blow, time to belly up to the bumpers 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2019, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/86 "2019-03-09T21:47:41Z")
Sometimes I sit and wonder why carebears hate fun so much… 🥑 ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2019, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/87 "2019-03-10T21:52:24Z")
You keep doing this avocado thing… what’s up with that? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 4:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/88 "2019-03-11T04:03:23Z")
It’s a reference to a meme about a certain generation eating avocado on toast AFAIK ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/89 "2019-03-12T17:36:52Z")
It’s strange how “fun” for toxic types seems to mean “inflicting myself on others with zero consequences”. Your avocado toast is getting cold. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/90 "2019-03-12T18:51:24Z")
See what I mean? ^^^ ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/91 "2019-03-12T20:18:43Z")
> [@Aquaros\_Armincata](#): > > Getting bumped in a freight highsec should make the bumper flagged. Don’t be daft, go away. ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/92 "2019-03-12T22:55:37Z")
Yep, your toxic wannabe-bullyboy mentality is right there in the open for everyone to see. It’s ok, whoever hurt you can’t do so anymore, you can let go of acting like human detritus. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 2:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/93 "2019-03-13T02:51:22Z")
LOL “bully” do you hear yourself? Violencing people’s space ships? Yes. Pointing out hypocrisy and carebearism on these forums? Sure. Bullying??? LOL wut? Who have I bullied? Cite an example. I’ll wait. ---
**Author:** ![Ghost\_O\_Mo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ghost_o_mo/32/376789_2.png) [@Ghost\_O\_Mo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ghost_O_Mo)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/94 "2019-03-13T13:04:41Z")
When you disagree with me, you are a bully. When I lose, it’s not fair. What I want… should be given to me. ---
**Author:** ![Saeger1737](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saeger1737/32/459629_2.png) [@Saeger1737](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saeger1737)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2019, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/95 "2019-03-13T20:40:38Z")
I prefer being called a Social Terrorist… It’s what I identify as and now you’re labeling others as this demeaning word known as “bully” ---
**Author:** ![Ghost\_O\_Mo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ghost_o_mo/32/376789_2.png) [@Ghost\_O\_Mo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ghost_O_Mo)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2019, 2:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/96 "2019-03-14T02:32:17Z")
I respect your life choices. ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/97 "2019-03-15T17:16:32Z")
lol, when we disagree we’re “carebears” or some other equally asinine moniker, and you start in on it the second anyone even so much as questions your addiction to acting like a douchebag in a simulated universe, no matter how many times it is explained to you that catering to your type can’t foster growth, you just keep whining about being taken for granted despite clear evidence that giving predatory players free reign over the system has done nothing but slowly drain CCP’s coffers as they choke the servers with countless fake accounts owned by a handful of people. Then you wonder why people are instantly dismissive of your toxic garbage, because we’ve already heard it 1000 times, CCP has already heard it 1000 times, and guess what? Nobody cares anymore, we’ve all tried to listen to your childish crap and it’s just too ignorant to keep humoring, the game is changing, it wants to grow, you want to be a stagnant circle jerk of like minds, I wonder which will win? Growth always wins. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/98 "2019-03-15T19:34:40Z")
Preys will be preys. ---
**Author:** ![Saeger1737](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saeger1737/32/459629_2.png) [@Saeger1737](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saeger1737)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/99 "2019-03-15T20:26:48Z")
Growth should never limit a game… This only reduces content… The game is about risk and therefore risk should be present in every activity… You don’t like risk, don’t play ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2019, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/100 "2019-03-15T20:33:25Z")
> [@Andresoni\_Janau](#): > > catering to your type can’t foster growth The dude says after 15+ years of the game catering my our type. LOL ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 9:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/getting-bumped-in-a-freight-highsec-should-make-the-bumper-flagged/143636/101 "2019-03-16T09:44:27Z")
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