# Going red on HP, don't fear it **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 16, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187 "2019-11-16T19:09:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/206 "2019-11-20T18:54:43Z")
It’s insult as soon as the goal is to hurt the person, instead of to make a point. Just because it’s irrelevant, useless, does not make it less of an insult. If he was talking with friends, then that would be self derision - but he is not, therefore only insults remain. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/207 "2019-11-20T19:26:35Z")
There’s nowt wrong with enjoying PvE over PvP, both are intrinsically linked due to the nature of the game. What people forget is that most of the rewards for PvE eventually end up on the market, which is a PvP environment. I’m very much a PvE player in that I primarily consume the content provided by CCP, but in some ways I’m also a PvP player because I’m constantly competing with others via industry and trading. ---
**Author:** ![Theodarum](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theodarum/32/479608_2.png) [@Theodarum](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theodarum)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/209 "2019-11-20T22:02:42Z")
I’d enjoy the game better without Zkillboard or isk. Technically, I’m afraid of losing every ship on any circumstances and is not for being afraid of pvp, is because the hard work of getting it. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/210 "2019-11-20T22:19:13Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > It’s insult as soon as the goal is to hurt the person, instead of to make a point. Fundamental flaw in your argument here: PvE players are not people. ---
**Author:** ![Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wavemistress_moidel/32/211447_2.png) [@Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wavemistress_Moidel)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/211 "2019-11-20T22:20:04Z")
Damn I’d better go to the doctors and get a Human check up. If he/she or it pulls a wire out of my arse i’ll know i’m a bot. ---
**Author:** ![Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manweru_cemenotar/32/230368_2.png) [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manweru_Cemenotar)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/212 "2019-11-21T07:31:38Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Fundamental flaw in your argument here: PvE players are not people. Another bit of Mature wisdom I see 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ravid\_Bheskagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ravid_bheskagor/32/472687_2.png) [@Ravid\_Bheskagor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ravid_Bheskagor)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 10:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/213 "2019-11-21T10:43:06Z")
PvP ship combat is core gameplay in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Eivar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eivar/32/178879_2.png) [@Eivar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eivar)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/214 "2019-11-21T14:19:28Z")
The various snarly reactions to that immature response by @Merin_Ryskin are appreciated \<3 Truthfully, it made me chuckle. Most pre-teen-type comments like it make me chuckle because they’re so damned stupid. Forums, oy. ---
**Author:** ![Stille\_Nacht](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stille_nacht/32/170263_2.png) [@Stille\_Nacht](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stille_Nacht)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/215 "2019-11-21T15:20:32Z")
you are wrong. Eve is not a PVP game. > **[EVE Online is not a PVP game - INN](https://imperium.news/eve-online-is-not-a-pvp-game/)** > > EVE Online is not a PVP game. It never has been. It’s been a simulation with PVP in it, but it has never been a PVP game. The other day I played a few matches in World of Warships. That... ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/216 "2019-11-21T15:56:20Z")
Hahaha nice try there, Murdoch. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/217 "2019-11-21T16:45:34Z")
So you’re saying that, because it’s written in an article, it must be true? Have you tried looking into the NewPlayerFAQ? Do you ever actually use your brain for thinking about things for yourself? 🙂 Are you actually a dog? No one on the internet knows, but you can tell _me!_ 😃 Anyhow, inspired by your name let us sing a german christmas song! STIIIIIHIIILLLEEEEE NAAAAAACHT HEIIIIIIILIIGEEEE NAAAAAACHT AAAAAALLLES SCHLÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄFT KEEEEEEINEEEEER WAAAAAAACCCHT LAAAAAA LA LAAAAA LALA LAAAAAA LALA LAAAAAAAAA LAAAAAA LA LAAAAA LALA LAAAAA LALA LAAAAAAAAA **LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA LA LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA LALA LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA** laaaaa lala laaaaa lala laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊 ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/218 "2019-11-21T16:55:10Z")
Sorry, but that article is nonsense. EVE is a PvP game because PvE is a means to an end, not the end goal. If you take away the PvP then you’re left with an inane farming game where all you do is endlessly repeat the same menial task until you get bored of it and quit. The parts of the game where you succeed or fail, where all of your meaningful achievements happen, are 100% PvP. Trying to argue that EVE is a PvE game because the resource exploitation aspect involves PvE is like trying to argue that it is a “player vs. login screen” game because every player has to log in before they can play. ---
**Author:** ![Daoden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daoden/32/271841_2.png) [@Daoden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daoden)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/219 "2019-11-21T17:02:32Z")
If Eve isnt a PvP game why did so many null seccers put so much time into PvP to gain sov? ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/220 "2019-11-21T17:04:13Z")
Ooooohhhhhh … inquiring minds want to know! The only flaw in your approach is the fact that people who spread the “not a pvp game” nonsense are not actually thinking, or caring about what’s true or not. They only care about being right and talking endlessly about how everyone else is wrong and a bad person! Too bad that the “EVE’s a pvp game” crowd is just equally braindead, evidenced by them constantly enabling those who have literally nothing but those who keep enabling them. Literally. There’s two stupid crowds from the opposite ends of a spectrum and they both exist solely because the other stupid side exists. Fascinating! 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/221 "2019-11-21T17:14:44Z")
> [@Daoden](#): > > If Eve isnt a PvP game why did so many null seccers put so much time into PvP to gain sov? You said it DID… That was before the big blue bubbles… This was the sole REASON this whole uproar against blackout was all about… No more afk making tons of money without any danger at all… ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/222 "2019-11-21T17:31:58Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > No more afk making tons of money without any danger at all… And yet how many people do you think would still play EVE if the PvP was removed and everyone in nullsec got as much zero-risk farming as they wanted? I’m pretty sure the answer is approximately zero. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/223 "2019-11-22T15:30:54Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > And yet how many people do you think would still play EVE if the PvP was removed and everyone in nullsec got as much zero-risk farming as they wanted? I’m pretty sure the answer is approximately zero. So you think blackout was about removing PVP from null? It would really interest me how you came to this interesting conclusion… Really… Null WITHOUT blackout means less PVP,not with it…blue bubbles mean something you know?.. But the goons raged out about it(the reaosn is clear as glasss) and ccp fell on their knees,butt upwards and changed it back… And yes…THIS reaction from CCP CLEARLY shows why this game has problems atm…and why falcon is gone… ---
**Author:** ![Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wavemistress_moidel/32/211447_2.png) [@Wavemistress\_Moidel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wavemistress_Moidel)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/224 "2019-11-22T15:40:38Z")
Sometimes I disagree with you solecist but the above statement does have a ring of truth to it. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/225 "2019-11-22T15:42:23Z")
> [@Solecist\_Project](#): > > The only flaw in your approach is the fact that people who spread the “not a pvp game” nonsense are not actually thinking, or caring about what’s true or not. They only care about being right and talking endlessly about how everyone else is wrong and a bad person! From the one who claims nonstop “everybody who does not do an activity I like is wrong”, this is priceless. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/226 "2019-11-22T15:45:07Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > From the one who claims nonstop “everybody who does not do an activity I like is wrong”, this is priceless. You know what? The thing is that he is in posession of the absolute truth… He in his approach is not far from an average trump supporter or a member of a sect… The world outside his bubble is evil and has to be fought at all costs even at the cost of his own honor… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187.md?page=12)