# Going red on HP, don't fear it **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 16, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187 "2019-11-16T19:09:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/267 "2019-11-23T16:03:23Z")
The only decisive vote is a guillotine. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/268 "2019-11-23T16:04:40Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > people who receive violence, learn to avoid that violence Evidently they arent being violenced intensely enough if they are able to still process thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/269 "2019-11-23T16:05:53Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > The only decisive vote is a guillotine. I have nothing to add to my comment. Violence has to be the LAST form of communication,in fact it’s wiser to continue talking than using force…and there is NO scenario that work otherwise without leading into a desaster. And that’s a basic truth of life… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/270 "2019-11-23T16:06:56Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > I have nothing to add to my comment. > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > it’s wiser to continue talking than using force A dead politician cannot lie to you. How many lies will it take until you decide to take that last resort? How many “nonviolent” deaths due to policy must happen? The villification of violence is a tool of control. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/271 "2019-11-23T16:08:26Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > A dead politician cannot lie to you. There will be others…kill them all? Where do you end it? In your own family? ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/272 "2019-11-23T16:09:28Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > A dead politician cannot lie to you. > > How many lies will it take until you decide to take that last resort? > > How many “nonviolent” deaths due to policy must happen? > > The villification of violence is a tool of control. Well that is easily answered…i will NEVER use force… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/273 "2019-11-23T16:09:29Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > There will be others…kill them all? Of course. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/274 "2019-11-23T16:10:01Z")
Then enjoy being exploited and standing by while others suffer. What a humanitarian you are. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/275 "2019-11-23T16:11:14Z")
Political systems come and go,and soon they will be wiped away from the face of the planet…that’s the matter things work on this world…you are not forced to do anything…history will choose for you… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/276 "2019-11-23T16:11:43Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > you are not forced to do anything…history will choose for you… Oxymoron ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/277 "2019-11-23T16:12:31Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Oxymoron Just standing there and watch is exactly what everyone should do… If no hand is raised nobody will get hurt… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/278 "2019-11-23T16:13:35Z")
Its pretty much what anyone who feels the status quo needs preserving already does there, chummer. ---
**Author:** ![Harabec\_Ojutai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/harabec_ojutai/32/212638_2.png) [@Harabec\_Ojutai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Harabec_Ojutai)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/279 "2019-11-23T16:13:40Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/a/9aab1288732af79a63b57d8450dcff18f5c098cc.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/280 "2019-11-23T16:14:13Z")
See, the only true sanction is violence! Nukes for all! Small american flags for others! ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/281 "2019-11-23T16:15:54Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Its pretty much what anyone who feels the status quo needs preserving already does there, chummer. So what changed in the last let’s say 5000 years of human history? Let me answer that question for you : NOTHING The big dogs still get all the girls and the money regardless what they do and everybody else tries to become a big dog… THIS is what has to change…there is no NEED to become a big dog… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/282 "2019-11-23T16:16:51Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > The big dogs still get all the girls Your inadequacies are showing there, fella. > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > there is no NEED to become a big dog… Little dogs starve to death because the big dog eats all the food. But you are right in one thing: > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > So what changed in the last let’s say 5000 years of human history? > > Let me answer that question for you : NOTHING Violence is the root of ALL authority. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/283 "2019-11-23T16:17:46Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Little dogs starve to death because the big dog eats all the food. And if all tiny dogs are gone the big dogs starve too because no one is hunting anymore… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/284 "2019-11-23T16:19:37Z")
Why would they be gone? The big dogs breed little dogs to do their bidding. In this metaphor the general public are usually the little dogs. And the big dogs tell them violence is always bad, but you can vote for any big dog you like. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/285 "2019-11-23T16:21:39Z")
Yeah but if the little dogs just stop do what they do the big dogs will see the reality that they are not as big as they thought… passive resistance is a form of fighting too…🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/286 "2019-11-23T16:22:22Z")
Great theory except for one thing. Its never happened. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187.md?page=15)