# Going red on HP, don't fear it **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 16, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187 "2019-11-16T19:09:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/84 "2019-11-17T09:58:23Z")
> [@Abruzzi\_Oskold](#): > > You seem to think they need to prove to you why they can like something when really your opinion of that is fairly inconsequential beyond entertainment value. You’re the one whining and crying about how I’m wrong. If you don’t think anyone needs to prove anything then get out of this thread and stop with the pointless spam. There’s zero need to declare over and over again that you aren’t going to participate in any kind of constructive discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Abruzzi\_Oskold](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abruzzi_oskold/32/279259_2.png) [@Abruzzi\_Oskold](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abruzzi_Oskold)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/85 "2019-11-17T09:59:02Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > but there are certainly wrong ones… Nah. CCP doesn’t need to remove something just because a few thinks its a waste of time if others enjoy it. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/86 "2019-11-17T10:01:47Z")
> [@Abruzzi\_Oskold](#): > > Nah. CCP doesn’t need to remove something just because a few thinks its a waste of time if others enjoy it. No, they need to remove it because it’s \*\*\*\* design and a relic of the earliest days of EVE when CCP had an incomplete understanding of what their game could be and mindlessly parroted some of the standard genre conventions. Missions integrate very poorly with the rest of the game and only exist because the genre convention of MMORPGs was to have that kind of quest system. It’s kind of like how attributes exist, not because they add anything to the game, but because the genre convention was that your character has D&D style attributes. Sorry if you enjoy them but missions need to meet the same fate as WIS and the door to nowhere. ---
**Author:** ![Abruzzi\_Oskold](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abruzzi_oskold/32/279259_2.png) [@Abruzzi\_Oskold](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abruzzi_Oskold)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/87 "2019-11-17T10:12:42Z")
> [@Wavemistress\_Moidel](#): > > It’s just one of thousands of different playstyles you find in the New Eden sandbox. That is one reason I really like this game. You have so many options like going on a roam, shooting some rats simply for something to do to kill time, or even mining some rocks while the lazors try to put you to sleep, maybe to make it easier to gank you. I always thought Dev made them that way on purpose. 😄 Sometimes I actually enjoyed “afk cloaking” in my Cov Ops annoying some of the locals in some random Null Sec system. Put them to sleep so we could hot drop them a few weeks later. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/88 "2019-11-17T10:21:27Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > You’re the one whining and crying about how I’m wrong. No. You are the one crying and whining and insulting about how THEY are wrong. People just remind you that you lack of understanding is not a proof that other people have no reason. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > No, they need to remove it because it’s \*\*\*\* design and a relic of the earliest days of EVE when CCP had an incomplete understanding of what their game could be and mindlessly parroted some of the standard genre conventions. Missions integrate very poorly with the rest of the game and only exist because the genre convention of MMORPGs was to have that kind of quest system. It’s kind of like how attributes exist, not because they add anything to the game, but because the genre convention was that your character has D&D style attributes. ^that^ is crying and whining. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/89 "2019-11-17T13:46:57Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Sorry, did you just say that PvE can be fun? Can I have some of the drugs you are on? PVE is the ONLY way to have fun… PVP is just a caveman game…there is no need to club one another on the head… ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/90 "2019-11-17T15:16:50Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > PVE is the ONLY way to have fun… Shut up, Balos. It is time you heat up another alt. This one has become stale. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/91 "2019-11-17T17:15:06Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > Shut up, Balos. > > It is time you heat up another alt. This one has become stale. Did not and will not help to mute me… I’m sure even someone like you will learn this one day… Just takes longer than normal for you right? Sad that we have to talk like this but you started it… And yes…5 chars in 14 years are “many” in your world…but only in your world…how many did YOU have since you started here hm? ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/92 "2019-11-17T19:43:44Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > how many did YOU have since you started here hm? This is my only one. ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/94 "2019-11-18T00:29:18Z")
Why even have shields on armor ships? You’d think with all that lame tiericide breaking the founding doctrines of the game they could have… oh wait I should shut up before they get the idea that all bonuses for defense should be the same. ---
**Author:** ![BOINGBOINGBOINGBOING\_BOINGOBBLEOI](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boingboingboingboing_boingobbleoi/32/203433_2.png) [@BOINGBOINGBOINGBOING\_BOINGOBBLEOI](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BOINGBOINGBOINGBOING_BOINGOBBLEOI)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/95 "2019-11-18T00:39:22Z")
It’s great that people get in heated arguments over PvP vs. PvE in this game. You’re both wrong, they both suck, so get over it. ---
**Author:** ![zazzmatazz\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zazzmatazz_xu/32/451037_2.png) [@zazzmatazz\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zazzmatazz_Xu)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/96 "2019-11-18T00:49:51Z")
> [@BOINGBOINGBOINGBOING\_BOINGOBBLEOI](#): > > they both suck 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 2:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/97 "2019-11-18T02:01:06Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > > > how many did YOU have since you started here hm? > > This is my only one. 🤔 And you really expect us to believe that? 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![dewk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dewk/32/168218_2.png) [@dewk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/dewk)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 6:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/98 "2019-11-18T06:32:46Z")
On ships being moved or moving cargo, having an EM Ward adds a large benefit against gankers and gate campers. As many know these two player types will favour EM damage to get down to armour fast. By having even 13% EM shield can give you that extra time you need to get back through a gate or Warp out. I’ve personally tanked gate Pipebomb campers in a fast Punisher cargo runner down into hull and got away. Even had an Blockade Runner locked down by gate campers, and managed to turn around and make it back through the gate i can through with 1/4 armour left. Also been attacked leaving Jita station by gankers, that had killed a corp mate in his Shield Tanked BR, i survived to see Concord rip them a new one and then warp off with full cargo. So yes a great Armour Passive Tank with an Shield Passive Hole Filler can make a huge difference. Now i’ve been told it’s stupid and won’t work, but it’s been proven to work, and not solely in HighSec, but also in Lowsec,Nullsec and Wormhole Space. ---
**Author:** ![Abruzzi\_Oskold](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abruzzi_oskold/32/279259_2.png) [@Abruzzi\_Oskold](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abruzzi_Oskold)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 6:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/99 "2019-11-18T06:39:56Z")
> [@dewk](#): > > Now i’ve been told it’s stupid and won’t work… Might be risky to rely on it. All they need to do is change ammo type, and you’d probably be toast, or burnt bacon. ---
**Author:** ![dewk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dewk/32/168218_2.png) [@dewk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/dewk)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 6:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/100 "2019-11-18T06:49:10Z")
True though normally the other shield resistances are much higher by default. So changing ammo will only reduce the DPS they can land on you. One reason they use EM damage to kill shield as it’s normally 0% resistance. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/101 "2019-11-18T09:17:23Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > And you really expect us to believe that? He obviously tries…desperately… Otherwise he wouldn’t be able to continue to criticize me… ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/102 "2019-11-18T18:16:39Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > And you really expect us to believe that? This is my EvE main character ( I do have more accounts) and the only one I have ever used to post with on these forums. Whether anybody believes that or not is inconsequential to me. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/103 "2019-11-18T18:31:21Z")
What I find most interesting is the fact that our PvE is really simple and easy. It is. Pretty much everyone agrees on that and there’s no way to deny it. It’s easily evidenced by just running missions. Do it for a week, if you require. So knowing that PvE is stupidly easy in this game … … what does it actually mean when certain people call our PvE “fighting” ? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2019, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187/104 "2019-11-18T19:50:40Z")
They probably also call mining “fighting” because it uses lasers to shoot things, and that sure sounds like combat to me. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/going-red-on-hp-dont-fear-it/201187.md?page=6)