# Golden ammo **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 2, 2023, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/golden-ammo/414551 "2023-08-02T16:45:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/golden-ammo/414551/121 "2023-08-03T16:57:04Z")
Looks like the pay-to-win booster has been removed. … this time. > [@Foundation Day Pack Update](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-day-pack-update/414663): > > Yesterday, we introduced the Foundation Day pack featuring the Wisdom of Gheinok booster. After listening to community feedback and consulting the CSM, we agree that the booster’s exclusivity tipped the balance unfavorably. This was not our intention, and we appreciate the passionate feedback we’ve received from you. Effective immediately, the ‘Wisdom of Gheinok’ booster has been removed from the Foundation Day pack (however those who have already purchased the pack will not have the booster re… Which is good news for now. I just hope they won’t ■■■■ up like this again. Because if the only thing stopping CCP from making some stupid decisions is player backlash rather than better internal decisions, it’s only a matter of time before we see another episode. > [@Aesir\_Valtari](#): > > I wish you a peaceful rest from New Eden, Gerard Amatin. Thanks. It may not be permanent, as I’m sure the itch will hit me in the future, but it’s going to be a (very) extended break. I hope to see a better game by time I check back on it, and not one ridden with more pay-to-win mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/golden-ammo/414551/122 "2023-08-03T17:00:58Z")
It will be back. ---
**Author:** ![Idama](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/idama/32/377201_2.png) [@Idama](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Idama)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/golden-ammo/414551/123 "2023-08-03T17:42:03Z")
“however those who have already purchased the pack will not have the booster removed” its not even leaving. gg ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/golden-ammo/414551/124 "2023-08-03T17:54:27Z")
> [@Idama](#): > > “however those who have already purchased the pack will not have the booster removed” > > its not even leaving. gg And if you bought it, just for that booster, and have it removed, you think that would be fair? ---
**Author:** ![Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ciryc_lagrej/32/375359_2.png) [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ciryc_Lagrej)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/golden-ammo/414551/125 "2023-08-03T17:55:43Z")
Yes. Refund them. ---
**Author:** ![Idama](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/idama/32/377201_2.png) [@Idama](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Idama)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/golden-ammo/414551/126 "2023-08-03T17:56:53Z")
This. All we learned to day was that gold ammo needs to be bought quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Vilia\_Meretia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vilia_meretia/32/379609_2.png) [@Vilia\_Meretia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vilia_Meretia)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/golden-ammo/414551/127 "2023-08-03T17:57:36Z")
> [@Foundation Day Pack Update](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-day-pack-update/414663/1): > > Effective immediately, the ‘Wisdom of Gheinok’ booster has been removed from the Foundation Day pack It’s only a reprieve, an organized tactical retreat. The next assault will be swifter and merciless. ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/golden-ammo/414551/128 "2023-08-03T18:07:45Z")
@Iceacid_Frostpacker All the more reasons why you should give it to me. ---
**Author:** ![Gelf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gelf/32/462608_2.png) [@Gelf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gelf)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/golden-ammo/414551/129 "2023-08-03T18:16:18Z")
Yes, it is tight. It is called nuance. My problem is with it being behind a wall that is only accessible with real money. If you don’t have the economic luxury of being able to afford it then you can’t be on a level playing field with everyone else. All of a sudden it is now a 2 tier system. I don’t really care how it comes in to the game as long as everyone can have access to it. Whether that it through money or time spent in game. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2023, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/golden-ammo/414551/130 "2023-08-03T19:24:48Z")
So the way you see it. If hypothetically, one player could gift this booster to another (and some games allows it), ie. to pay cash to give it to you - but it remains soul bound to you (meaning it still cannot be traded ingame). Then it is not pay2win because you can pay that player something ingame (RMT) to make him buy this booster for you. Is that right? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 1:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/golden-ammo/414551/131 "2023-08-04T01:31:36Z")
That would have to go through the safety net approval process. ---
**Author:** ![MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcomreynolds_serenity/32/385107_2.png) [@MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MalcomReynolds_Serenity)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/golden-ammo/414551/132 "2023-08-04T01:38:11Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I’m out of here. Can I have your stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Icarius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/icarius/32/377384_2.png) [@Icarius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Icarius)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/golden-ammo/414551/133 "2023-08-04T09:05:18Z")
And it’s for such ■■■■■■■■ that we have useless patches every 2 days? priceless Can i have an anti brain damage implant? ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Traindriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_traindriver/32/373313_2.png) [@ISD\_Traindriver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Traindriver)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/golden-ammo/414551/134 "2023-08-04T09:13:57Z")
Since CCP has already commented in an official statement, I ask to continue this disscusion from now there: > [@Foundation Day Pack Update](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/foundation-day-pack-update/414663/58): > > Ccp has been firm on not changing it, and the csms are keen on not bringing it up either. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Traindriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_traindriver/32/373313_2.png) [@ISD\_Traindriver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Traindriver)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/golden-ammo/414551/135 "2023-08-04T09:14:00Z")
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