# Good video about why EVE is falling apart instead of thriving **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 26, 2022, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192 "2022-06-26T09:04:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/142 "2022-07-01T12:58:15Z")
> [@Oskar\_Milde](#): > > doesn’t make you feel as good about yourself and your sense of superiority, so you won’t. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, I live in Africa we are much poorer than both china and russia and yet we don’t bot. Superiority? maybe you westen people think so sure but that does not exist, all men/women are equal. The whole boting argument is one of cultural acceptance, does it effect you on a psycological level if you engage in boting or not. But this is off topic lets get back to the proper discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/143 "2022-07-01T12:59:36Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > give null the ability to jam their use and allow hunters to reopen the trace to follow. And how is that going to help? With such an upgrade, you could make whole constellations of null sec safe from filaments and funnel all the filaments that could come into your region into a single constellation or system. That sure sounds balanced and a good experience. Free kill farming for the sov holders. Did I tell you about how they are unfixable? On a second thought, I am all for easy farming of random noobies trying to go into Delve or Drone Lands or Deklein, who will end up right in my home system where I can farm them with ease, while the rest of my region(s) are safe from these pesky magic carpet “roamers”. That sounds like a really great experience for me. > [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > In my case as ive already said i have limited game time and having to travel takes away from the fun so id do something else. Im sure im not alone in that. That’s a weak argument at best. If you have limited playtime, join an active group and use their wormhole scanning to get to your exploration areas or for roaming. Have I mentioned how Filaments take away important player interaction? I can’t remember. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/144 "2022-07-01T13:01:58Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > With such an upgrade, you could make whole constellations of null sec safe from filaments and funnel all the filaments that could come into your region into a single constellation or system. the jamming would be for use of a filament in the system the jammer is in. One way. I thought i was clear on that. Us high sec carebears can come in. But if you are jamming we can only get out via gate. I.e. easy to get into and be content. Difficult to escape being content. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/145 "2022-07-01T13:03:08Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > That’s a weak argument at best. If you have limited playtime, join an active group and use their wormhole scanning to get to your exploration areas or for roaming. > > Have I mentioned how Filaments take away important player interaction? I can’t remember. 🤔 That’s the thing thou if you compare filament’s and wh’s. Wh’s are super well balanced you can be cut off there is risk and reward and you can be chased through one I think Filament’s need to be modeled a little closer to wh’s in some way. Maybe Filament’s are able to create wh’s? ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/146 "2022-07-01T13:03:52Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > Have I mentioned how Filaments take away important player interaction? I can’t remember. Serious question. Would you rather i used a filament to go to null and have fun. Or stay in hisec running abyss? ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/147 "2022-07-01T13:04:23Z")
Would prefer you to roam through low to null from high 😃 or through a worm hole from high to null. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/148 "2022-07-01T13:04:28Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > Would you rather i used a filament to go to null and have fun. Or stay in hisec running abyss? Neither. Both are extremely damaging to the game as a whole. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/149 "2022-07-01T13:05:19Z")
btw is not like the goons doesn’t have 10000 tera bookmarks to go anywhere hey want with no filaments i know because i was one no scanning needed ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/150 "2022-07-01T13:06:03Z")
wh obviously. That would be far quicker if there is a connection close by. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/151 "2022-07-01T13:07:24Z")
But someone had to scan the Thera holes. Usually that’s done by Signal Cartel, sure, but actual players had to put effort into scanning Thera, have to maintain the website and find a way to secure the bookmarks list (which is hard. as last year’s outage of the thera holes bookmarks list following the SNUFF shenanigans demonstrated). All meaningful, important and good gameplay aspects in a game that is supposedly all about player interaction and cooperation. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/152 "2022-07-01T13:07:49Z")
🙂 Anything else i shouldnt be doing? ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/153 "2022-07-01T13:08:20Z")
If you could from anywhere in high sec travel 3 jumps to the high/low boarder then 3 jumps to the low/null boarder and then 2 or 3 jumps anywhere into null would you take that route? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/154 "2022-07-01T13:08:55Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > But someone had to scan the Thera holes. Usually that’s done by Signal Cartel, sure, but actual players had to put effort into scanning Thera, have to maintain the website and find a way to secure the bookmarks list (which is hard. as last year’s outage of the thera holes bookmarks list following the SNUFF shenanigans demonstrated). All meaningful, important and good gameplay aspects in a game that is supposedly all about player interaction and cooperation. i agree if you are a goon but them again most of the goons don’t do ■■■■ and have the bookmarks with one click ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/155 "2022-07-01T13:09:36Z")
Anyone in the game can get access to thera book marks btw don’t need to be in goons. You just have to join the shared folder. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/156 "2022-07-01T13:10:44Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > Anyone in the game can get access to thera book marks btw don’t need to be in goons. them smaller the problem there is 0 danger in jumping to tera , jumping to destiny i did it 1000000 times and never died ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/157 "2022-07-01T13:11:30Z")
Yip and that’s what everyone thinks 😃 and then you sit on one of those whs and hunt people and then they think otherwise lol. But that is healthy a known route where people can intercept your path and try to force an engagement. Filament’s are unknown and stop you from being cut off which is bad design. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/158 "2022-07-01T13:12:31Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > Yip and that’s what everyone thinks 😃 and then you sit on one of those whs and hunt people and then they think otherwise lol yeah , but is the same of jumping gate to gate in low , you will not die … until you die the 1000x you pass is worth the time you don’t ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/159 "2022-07-01T13:13:06Z")
Wrong question. You should ask: What can I do instead that is helpful to the game and keeps you accessible and available for interaction with the game all the time. There are lots of things available to that end, but if you keep your rose-tinted filament and abyss PVE glasses on, you won’t see them. On the other hand, I also can’t fully blame you because CCP is somewhat good at conditioning people into thinking like you. Your only option for fun are filaments. > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > there is 0 danger in jumping to tera , jumping to destiny Are they not camping the holes close to Jita or Amarr anymore? ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/160 "2022-07-01T13:13:12Z")
yea but you go through kinakka and all of a sudden your death rate is 5% which is high. Even tama is safer now. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/161 "2022-07-01T13:14:15Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > Are they not camping the holes close to Jita or Amarr anymore? don’t know, maybe tera have so many big holes , i find it so much trouble for so little pew pew [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192.md?page=9)