# Good video about why EVE is falling apart instead of thriving **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 26, 2022, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192 "2022-06-26T09:04:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/162 "2022-07-01T13:15:17Z")
Don’t worry I’ll join mini fw soon and shoot you more than you want to be shot. xD Moving ships is a pain in the ass. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/163 "2022-07-01T13:15:49Z")
think about it save your soul join the sacred amarr empire ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/164 "2022-07-01T13:16:45Z")
![1](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/0/9/a09bb6e462a1cecf49f9eda7493aaccc5055e2a1.jpeg) impossible, thats also after diplo skill lol. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/165 "2022-07-01T13:17:17Z")
😭 ![mimatar not people](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/b/b/3bbcad5760d858e1a54fac37a60b71bd01d32763.png) ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/166 "2022-07-01T13:19:23Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > There are lots of things available to that end, but if you keep your rose-tinted filament and abyss PVE glasses on, you won’t see them. Rose tinted glasses really? Have you missed the posts where i have highlighted problems and suggested that they get signifcantly nerfed. Thats hardly the definition of rose tinted glasses. > [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > conditioning people into thinking like you. and how do i think? Possibly like someone who is still capable of some positivity. My position is simple that filaments have some positive things to offer. Not that they are the be all and end all. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jumpdrive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jumpdrive/32/285032_2.png) [@Jumpdrive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jumpdrive)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/167 "2022-07-01T13:30:43Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > The ever dropping character numbers each week clearly state otherwise. Oh boy! This argument again. You know, many ex-players are still around on r/eve, so you can actually ask them, but you’re not going to like what they’ll tell you. The longest bitter vets blame Fozziesov and Upwell structures. Then the oldest bitter vets simply don’t have time for the grindy parts anymore, because they have a busy life now. Also common are defunct null sec groups fell apart after passive moon mining was gone. I’ve heard of maybe one guy who quit the game because of filaments. Correlation doesn’t equal causation. Hell, the MMO genre as a whole has trouble competing with other game genres. ---
**Author:** ![Kaivarian\_Coste](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaivarian_coste/32/413759_2.png) [@Kaivarian\_Coste](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaivarian_Coste)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/168 "2022-07-01T17:10:51Z")
bubble-immune shuttles have made traversing high → low → null pretty easy. i see shuttles flying all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Stromorst](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stromorst/32/315814_2.png) [@Stromorst](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stromorst)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 4:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/169 "2022-07-02T04:23:32Z")
Large smart bombs are the counter. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/170 "2022-07-02T11:00:41Z")
> [@Oskar\_Milde](#): > > The solution to filaments has been pretty well worked out by now, and the reasoning behind it is self-evident. I agree, a spool up time or other way to block people from filamenting away from a chase would be simple solutions to the issue of people using '_filaments to escape’._ However, I sometimes do see people suggest the ability to chase a filament. I do not think that is a good solution at all, if only because it allows players to bypass the intended 1/5/15/25 character limits of filaments and thereby allows roaming groups of 100+ people to filament around in null for content. Currently 100+ man filament fleets are impossible, because no group greater than 25 can land in the same random spot. But if you allow people to chase a filament destination, you enable such gameplay. And personally I don’t think that’s an improvement. Filaments currently allow smallish gangs to move around, but not large fleets. If filaments are chaseable, this restriction is gone. So, please do continue asking for a spool up timer to filaments and other methods, but _chasing_ filaments shouldn’t become possible, in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Mediouni\_Sh\_rifi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mohammad_mediouni_sh_rifi/32/301858_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Mediouni\_Sh\_rifi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mohammad_Mediouni_Sh_rifi)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/171 "2022-07-02T11:09:42Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > Ever since CCP started to introduce these “convenience” features and started to make EVE “easier”, the character numbers started to drop hard and continue to do so. That’s not the reason why numbers started to drop and continue to drop. You’re mixing apples and oranges. ---
**Author:** ![Oskar\_Milde](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oskar_milde/32/396309_2.png) [@Oskar\_Milde](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oskar_Milde)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/172 "2022-07-02T11:24:09Z")
Ahhh yep, that does indeed make sense. Boo and hiss. Woulda been fun to be hopping all over the place having benny hill music playing on comms, but you are indeed correct - this is an obvious end result and broken af! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/good-video-about-why-eve-is-falling-apart-instead-of-thriving/368192/173 "2022-09-30T11:25:00Z")
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