# Great job on the blackout CCP - now lets talk about skill extracting **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [July 19, 2019, 7:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515 "2019-07-19T07:03:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515/61 "2019-07-19T17:14:54Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > I commend you as being interested in game play more than beating the system. _claps_ Real farmers use dommies these days. You lose the dommies if you get tackled, but they pay for themselves so rediculously quickly that it doesn’t even matter. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515/62 "2019-07-19T17:23:24Z")
Too bad they don’t participate in the topics where they actually ask for feedback themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515/63 "2019-07-19T17:25:14Z")
Just limit how much skill can be injected in a given time. (and welcome another ocean of tears…) Or better yet, all injected skills are LOST when podded. Bwa ha ha ha!!! Yes I’m evil. ---
**Author:** ![Quor\_Dresden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quor_dresden/32/277545_2.png) [@Quor\_Dresden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quor_Dresden)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515/64 "2019-07-19T17:38:50Z")
With the cost of plex now, the profit of plexing accounts for SP extracting has drop significantly. Not long ago there was thread on the subject. Many have stopped due to lack of profits. That of course wont stop skill extractors, but I’m sure it’s balanced it a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515/65 "2019-07-19T17:50:58Z")
> [@Quor\_Dresden](#): > > With the cost of plex now, the profit of plexing accounts for SP extracting has drop significantly. The profitably of injectors has little to do with the cost of plex and more to do with the injector market being saturated. ---
**Author:** ![Quor\_Dresden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quor_dresden/32/277545_2.png) [@Quor\_Dresden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quor_Dresden)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515/66 "2019-07-19T18:03:02Z")
> [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > The profitably of injectors has little to do with the cost of plex and more to do with the injector market being saturated. As many used to make an Eve living from using isk to buy plex for omega and multiple character training to extract SP in a continuous circle. Yes, plex does relate to profits from injectors. As the price of plex has gone up this reduced those types of farmers. The market may still be saturated, but free SP from CCP dont help. ---
**Author:** ![Agondray](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agondray/32/414989_2.png) [@Agondray](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agondray)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515/67 "2019-07-19T18:12:28Z")
> [@CCP\_Falcon](#): > > People should be allowed to have as many accounts as they want, either alpha or Omega. hehe that’s not what your all blog said a few months after alpha release praising the restricted use of accounts for reasons of “balance” as a success and looking to do the same thing to omegas…ofcourse you all deleted that part from the blog between 2-3 months later ---
**Author:** ![Crysantos\_Callahan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/crysantos_callahan/32/149625_2.png) [@Crysantos\_Callahan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Crysantos_Callahan)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515/68 "2019-07-19T18:14:47Z")
Why should we not share our opinion that this is a good thing if we believe in it? I think it was one of the best moves by CCP in a long time and it brought me back - Eve became very stale and 0.0 turned into a lot of things, but not a really dangerous place. CCP wasn’t smoking anything, they were looking at the current state of things for a long time and where they can apply some pressure to have a meaningful impact to change player behavior and be more engaged. You want to live in 0.0? Earn it, take risks, adapt. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515/69 "2019-07-19T18:15:38Z")
I mean one IP AT A TIME for each account, not limit account for specific IP, in short no more multiboxing even as omega ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515/70 "2019-07-19T18:20:14Z")
I understood what your idea was. I’m explaining to you that your idea is moronic and impossible to implement, because an IP is not a person. This would mean that: If Bob and Alice live together and share an IP address, and both play Eve, Bob and Alice cannot play at the same time. If Bob lives in a college dorm behind NAT and anyone else in his dorm plays, Bob can’t play at the same time. If someone has an ISP using carrier grade NAT and anyone else on the same public-facing IP is playing, they’d be the only person in the entire ■■■■■■■ subnetwork who could play. Meanwhile, if someone can just throw money at buying a block of public IPs, **they** still get to multibox. TL;DR your idea is unmitigated horseshit. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515/71 "2019-07-19T18:21:13Z")
Oh ok get it now, what about limit one stance of game running per machine? ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515/72 "2019-07-19T18:22:39Z")
Virtual machines exist to get around that, and even if you could somehow prevent virtual machines from working, all you do is make it a credit card problem. The guy who can throw money at multiple PCs to multibox gets to, and the filthy RL poors don’t. No thanks. Multiboxing might be bad, but it’s bad in a comparatively “fair” way relative to just erecting thousand-dollar barriers to entry. ---
**Author:** ![Ikki\_Phoenix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikki_phoenix/32/391105_2.png) [@Ikki\_Phoenix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikki_Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515/73 "2019-07-19T19:29:08Z")
never said you should not. I said I was sorry for hijacking this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Mega\_Face](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mega_face/32/359765_2.png) [@Mega\_Face](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mega_Face)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515/74 "2019-07-19T22:24:52Z")
there’s literally nothing to spend isk on in this game once you’ve broken the 1b a day mark. so players just plex into accounts they don’t need because what else are they going to spend it on? The biggest ship in the game is entirely reliant on other people to keep it alive, and it dies to 30 dreads. There’s only a handful of slots you can bling a sub-capital ship with. There are players who aren’t even in bloc alliances who have hundreds of billions of isk, and CCP isn’t adding anything to dump that isk into aside from RMT or Skilling. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 4:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515/75 "2019-07-20T04:04:01Z")
> [@CCP\_Falcon](#): > > The benefit for younger players playing catch up mainly, and the ability for friends to share skill points with their wingmen who join the game. > > One of our biggest barriers for entry is “I can’t catch up with the people who’ve been skill training for a decade.” I don’t understand that seriously. I mean first of all we both know that this isn’t true and that you don’t need tons of SP to do almost anything and if you specialize you are on the same level as a veteran in no time. You just don’t communicate that properly to new players, THAT is the real issue. Secondly I always felt that adding an option to buy SP will only discourage most players even more as the first thing they will do is to calculate how much dolares they will have to spend to “catch up” which will obviously result in an insane sum that will scare away even hardened credit card warriors. And in the end, skill farms where just **inevitable**. The whole system of extractors was designed to work like that. If there is a market for SP then someone has to produce them. And as many pointed out in the very first post about skill extractors, the SP of vets who just sell some skill they trained but never use will dry up and then it’s just skill farms. Where else should SP be produced? You can’t tell me you at CCP didn’t think that far when you implemented that feature, or didn’t you? As it is now this feature does the following in my opinion: It provides free accounts for the vets because of skill farming, payed for by either new players because they misunderstand the game and want to “catch up” or (more likely) some nullsec farmer that prints new alts for the latest ship that farm the most ISK. I find none of those three aspects are a good reason to keep them around. And I say this as someone who used extractors to run 3 additional accounts (always payed for this one). ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515/76 "2019-07-20T07:15:47Z")
> [@Agondray](#): > > ofcourse you all deleted that part from the blog between 2-3 months later Quick! Show us the original blog and show to all Falcon’s corruption. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515/77 "2019-07-20T16:47:45Z")
> [@Sam\_Petersen](#): > > I’m running 3 accounts at the moment and i pay for all of them. I could quite easily plex at least two of them every month, but… > [@Sam\_Petersen](#): > > and i pay for all of them Yet another who thinks it is somehow superior to pay a sub directly over PLEXing an account? Amazing… Shocking how widespread that misconception is. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515/78 "2019-07-20T17:06:43Z")
Yeah, for a game that’s often referred to as Spreadsheets in Space, there are a surprising number of people who just don’t really “get” basic accounting principles. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515/79 "2019-07-20T17:13:27Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > You all have the solution allready. One account running per IP. DONE eve is fixed VPN’s Checkmate 😛 ---
**Author:** ![dewk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dewk/32/168218_2.png) [@dewk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/dewk)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515/80 "2019-07-20T19:41:36Z")
> [@CCP\_Falcon](#): > > I have no issue with extraction/injection now, **but I would certainly restrict it a bit more. If it was down to me, I’d prevent the ability to inject any capital/supercapital skills** - caps and supers have always been an “endgame” or “veteran” goal in my eyes, and if you want to fly them you should have to commit the time to actually train into them. @CCP_Falcon and maybe @ccp_rise this could be done simply by adding to the top 150,000 skill point injection and end cap, said at 100,000,000 skill points large injectors give 0 skill points. That allows player to spend ISK to gain 20,000,000 skill points, and after that they’ll need to use cerebral accelerators. So it’ll add two fold to the game, it’ll limit how far players and **inject into a ship** , but won’t stop those direct injecting into ships and skipping the **CORE** skills, but it’s cause a demand for cerebral accelerators, though more players doing PVE content to acquire them. Just my thoughts on the subject. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/great-job-on-the-blackout-ccp-now-lets-talk-about-skill-extracting/176515.md?page=5)