# Griefing ruins the game **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [January 2, 2022, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880 "2022-01-02T00:21:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/308 "2022-01-29T11:49:16Z")
> [@Cod\_Black1](#): > > I know many honorable players in Eve that see it the same way. No you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/309 "2022-01-29T12:03:39Z")
> [@Cod\_Black1](#): > > when you celebrate a victory over a defenseless or inferior player is a part of personality. You’re never going to win against a superior player as when you win they were in fact the inferior player, because of lesser skill, the wrong choices, fewer backup, or many other reasons that cause that player to lose the engagement. So when would you ever celebrate a victory if every victory is against a ‘lesser player’? I would just celebrate any victory and look back at any defeat to see what I can learn from it. And I don’t bother with this whole ‘that player is inferior so I should not attack him’ nonsense. If he’s undocked he made the choice to be involved in a PvP game, so he better be prepared. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Kalus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_kalus/32/512583_2.png) [@Lord\_Kalus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Kalus)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/310 "2022-01-29T12:26:27Z")
> [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](#): > > they called out 2x sabres and mobilized an entire fleet for it. A 220mil praxis. It could be that, or it could be they were in an entire fleet and just happened to come across your 220 mil praxis as the next potential juicy kill. Spectre fleet does 20-50 man fleets all the time and it isn’t a matter of calling out or mobilizing anything. We’re there, we’re looking for content, we will all engage it if we can. You got caught out unprepared. Where were your scouts? Why didn’t you know a fleet was coming when it was still 3 holes away? Do you even wormhole bro? Then you came here to whine about it because apparently you’re salty over forgetting the first rule of eve. Don’t fly what you can’t afford to lose. I have a mirror if you’re looking for the person you should be blaming. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Kalus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_kalus/32/512583_2.png) [@Lord\_Kalus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Kalus)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/311 "2022-01-29T12:45:15Z")
> [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](#): > > Would spending 2-3b on skill injectors and throwing guns on a praxis have saved me against 10 people No, but a better fit would have. What this killmail doesn’t show is that prior to the small stuff pinning me down, I had tanked and moonwalked away from those 12 machs. > **[Praxis | Lord Kalus | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/85340357/)** > > Lord Kalus (Advanced Salt Processing V) lost their Praxis in KBP7-G (Providence). Final Blow by Jhonen Senraedi (Un4seen Development) flying in a Machariel. Total Value: 184,977,621.87 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/312 "2022-01-29T16:48:25Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > If he’s undocked Life is PvP. So, by your logic, every time my 88-year-old mother leaves the house she consents to PvP. AND, just because she’s not equipped or able to defend herself, it’s somehow her fault if someone attacks her and takes her Social Security check. I know, I know, I shouldn’t compare Eve to RL…because it hurts your feelings. You can’t have it both ways. 🅲🅰🅻🅼 🅳🅾🆆🅽 🅶🅰🅽🅺🅴🆁! ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/313 "2022-01-29T18:40:47Z")
> [@Cod\_Black1](#): > > the defenseless or weak I think you don’t understand much about EvE. The miners and haulers that we gank are not “defenseless or weak” - they are AFK autopilot bot alts for people who would not hesitate to shoot YOU if you came into the same system as their main. They are not your friends, and they are not innocent little angels. Almost all new players wind up joining Karmafleet, Pandemic Horde, Eve Uni, Signal Cartel, BRAVE, or just about any group outside of Highsec. The people inside Highsec are scamming you, and only pretending to be new players. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/314 "2022-01-29T19:10:43Z")
why is this trainwreck still going 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/315 "2022-01-29T19:15:05Z")
> [@Cod\_Black1](#): > > This topic addresses one of the most interesting topics of Eve. Personally I have a morale codex as a person. I use this in real life but also in gaming or wherever. This codex says that I don’t harm innocent or defenseless people. This is a question of honor . > > Eve is one of the games which admires such bad behavior against the defenseless or weak. I think that this kind of behavior - when you celebrate a victory over a defenseless or inferior player is a part of personality. I will never understand what kind of fun it is to threaten the weak. I try to avoid these players in game and real life. > > I always laugh about their reasons. In many times they see themself as the only “real” PvP players. They don’t see that the world outside their peer group dispose them. Sometimes they even like this because it all they have. > > That’s no problem because on the other side I know many honorable players in Eve that see it the same way. These players I admire. They fight with equal opponents with skill and win. Or they fight with a reason to defense or win territory . > > Cheers to you commanders Hey there Blue 😃 Long time no see. > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Life is PvP. So, by your logic, every time my 88-year-old mother leaves the house she consents to PvP. AND, just because she’s not equipped or able to defend herself, it’s somehow her fault if someone attacks her and takes her Social Security check. > > I know, I know, I shouldn’t compare Eve to RL…because it hurts your feelings. You can’t have it both ways. 🅲🅰🅻🅼 🅳🅾🆆🅽 🅶🅰🅽🅺🅴🆁! LOL. Someone clearly confuses real life and vidya games. But honestly? Yes. She does consent to PvP. Hell, even being in the house she consents to PvP. We have laws and live in a society. Yet the law won’t protect you in the middle of the woods right then. Only you can. I keep finding your claims more and more ridiculous as time goes on. If you really were in the military/LEO you would know this. Yet you don’t 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/316 "2022-01-29T20:10:51Z")
And yet by your logic it is reprehensible for players to hit eachother in a boxing ring. So which is it? At what point does someone take responsibility for putting themselves in the situation they are in? In the boxing ring it’s the moment they step in the ring and the bell goes. In EVE it is the moment you step into the game and undock. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/317 "2022-01-29T20:25:00Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Life is PvP. So, by your logic, every time my 88-year-old mother leaves the house she consents to PvP. AND My man, what? That is a terrible take, and you should feel bad making that argument in Eve. Be better. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/318 "2022-01-29T20:30:31Z")
EvE is a PvP game. If you login, you consent to PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Landeskog\_Salvo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/landeskog_salvo/32/387471_2.png) [@Landeskog\_Salvo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Landeskog_Salvo)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/319 "2022-01-29T20:49:54Z")
No it doesn’t, It’s so easy to avoid PVP in EVE, CCP have made it so easy. PI, Abyssal, Missions ETC. It’s why NOT ENOUGH ship destruction is going on in EVE atm. We need WAY MORE PVP to happen in eve. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/320 "2022-01-29T22:07:49Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Life is PvP. So, by your logic, every time my 88-year-old mother leaves the house she consents to PvP. Question: are you _actually_ a moron, or just a professional forum moron impersonator? ---
**Author:** ![Optimus\_Maximus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/optimus_maximus/32/368882_2.png) [@Optimus\_Maximus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Optimus_Maximus)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 12:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/321 "2022-01-30T00:41:11Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Life is PvP. So, by your logic, every time my 88-year-old mother leaves the house she consents to PvP. AND, just because she’s not equipped or able to defend herself, it’s somehow her fault if someone attacks her and takes her Social Security check. Wtf did I just read? Are so insane that you compare videogame PVP to assault in the real world? How can you even try to make an analogy using this situation? Get a grip on reality, dude. ---
**Author:** ![Ricky\_Tock](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ricky_tock/32/297351_2.png) [@Ricky\_Tock](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ricky_Tock)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 1:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/322 "2022-01-30T01:16:10Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > why is this trainwreck still going People keep slapping egg on their face and the lulz keep coming! ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 1:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/323 "2022-01-30T01:17:34Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > in a boxing ring Two people enter a ring and agree to the match. > [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > Be better. If you think ganking is PvP your opinion means nothing to me. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/324 "2022-01-30T01:18:39Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > forum moron impersonator? Logic. You either have it or you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/325 "2022-01-30T01:19:30Z")
> [@Optimus\_Maximus](#): > > Get a grip on reality, dude. Reality? I thought it was just a game… ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 1:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/326 "2022-01-30T01:34:06Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > If you think ganking is PvP your opinion means nothing to me. It is literally PvP 😃 It is a player vs a player. > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Reality? I thought it was just a game… Hm. I would almost speculate on something 😃 But I already know I’m pretty much correct 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Leggone\_Stracks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leggone_stracks/32/290900_2.png) [@Leggone\_Stracks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Leggone_Stracks)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2022, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/327 "2022-01-30T04:27:11Z")
This is an interesting metaphor. IF ONLY the police were as effective as Concord. They are not. At best real life is low sec and null sec. The entire idea of suburbs is an attempt to have real life hisec. Good grief. How is this blah, blah more important than sleep. I’m crazy. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880.md?page=17)