# Griefing ruins the game **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [January 2, 2022, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880 "2022-01-02T00:21:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/470 "2022-02-03T18:02:45Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > For some reason, those people refuse to condemn the behaviour Because the issue is being unscrupulously used as a weapon, with bells and whistles attached. I mean, look at the way you yourself just cast aspersion on all ‘miners and antigankers’. So what’s really going on has nothing to do with threats…and everything to do with the issue being USED to attack ‘miners and antigankers’. I see what is really going on…how utterly devious it is. ---
**Author:** ![Same\_Old\_Topics](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/same_old_topics/32/282720_2.png) [@Same\_Old\_Topics](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Same_Old_Topics)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/471 "2022-02-03T18:04:15Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > people who oppose PvP in a videogame are super angry and bitter and filled with inner rage. It does seem like you could shrug it off as just the breaks in a game. I understand PVE folks would be possed about the time investment being exploded, but the servers themselves will one day get shut down. I had a quite frankly priceless lightsaber crystal sitting on a table in SWG until the day the servers went off. Never used. Worth a fortune. Oh well. It’s a game. I liked having it. (And I never put it where someone else could take it. 😉 ) I really need to give this game another shot. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/472 "2022-02-03T18:04:35Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > the issue is being unscrupulously used as a weapon I don’t really think so. Gix is simply asking if even one antiganker will have the decency to stand up and denounce some of the more inappropriate things that have been said by antigankers, and the people they fleet with and defend. For some reason, you have allowed yourself to be the most vocal respondent to Gix, but you aren’t even really relevant to the discussion - I believe there are others whom Gix is more specifically wanting to respond, and I think he is completely justified in asking them whether (after a decade of crying about ganker griefers) whether they are opposed to antiganker griefers. Gix is basically condemning McCarthyism, and in the spirit of Joseph Welch, he is asking the antigankers, “At long last, have you no decency at all”. Remember, the people who have actually been vilified and persecuted here. It is the gankers, not the miners, who are victimized by all this abuse. Is there not one antiganker who will stand up and acknowledge a SINGLE instance of antiganker or miner abuse. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/473 "2022-02-03T18:10:10Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I don’t really think so. Gix is simply asking if even one antiganker will have the decency to stand up and denounce some of the more inappropriate things that have been said by antigankers I have not seen _any_ distinction drawn on this thread…neither by Gix or you or anyone else. If specific miners, antigankers, or anyone else engages in bad behaviour then the issue should be taken up with those specific people. But instead all I see here is a wide net cast. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/474 "2022-02-03T18:11:04Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > all I see here I don’t even see you as a relevant participant in the conversation. Honestly, nobody knows who you are. ---
**Author:** ![Same\_Old\_Topics](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/same_old_topics/32/282720_2.png) [@Same\_Old\_Topics](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Same_Old_Topics)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/475 "2022-02-03T18:11:35Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > how utterly devious it is. Come into the light with me. It is devious, but that avenue of attack is shut down more easily than it takes a ganker to type inflammatory stuff in the first place. Ignore/Block. And once you grok that it’s that simple to stop, surely you see how silly it is to give in to that rage. Which makes makes other aspect, the threats and rage seem childish at best, and insane at worst. The ganker can set you back against your will. They cannot talk to you without it. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/476 "2022-02-03T18:14:24Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Remember, the people who have actually been vilified and persecuted here. It is the gankers, not the miners, who are victimized by all this abuse. Er, no…the primary villified and abused ‘victims’ of this thread have been those falsely accused merely because they refused to answer a loaded question. Quite how do the perpetrators of this farce turn themselves into the victims ? ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/477 "2022-02-03T18:16:24Z")
Yes, I agree. I foolishly ignored the #1 rule of all forums…do not feed the trolls. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/478 "2022-02-03T18:16:39Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > …the primary villified and abused ‘victims’ of this thread have been those falsely accused merely because they refused to answer a loaded question. Yes, you are truly victimized by the fact that someone asked whether you condone toxic behaviour. Indeed, you have been sorely maligned. You poor thing! ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/479 "2022-02-03T18:23:12Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Yes, you are truly victimized by the fact that someone asked whether you condone toxic behaviour. I do not condone the toxic manner in which it was asked ! ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/480 "2022-02-03T18:24:13Z")
I imagine if you keep whining, someone will ask you again. Do you condone toxic behaviour in a video game? Yes or no? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/481 "2022-02-03T18:25:23Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > I do not condone the toxic manner in which it was asked ! Well it’s nice to know that you don’t condone _something._ ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/482 "2022-02-03T18:26:51Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Do you condone toxic behaviour in a video game? Yes or no? What ? I’ve spent 99% of this thread condemning toxic behaviour. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/483 "2022-02-03T18:35:55Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > I’ve spent 99% of this thread condemning toxic behaviour. Weird, and here I thought you spent most of your time objecting to being asked about whether you condemn toxic behaviour. Perhaps I am from an alternate bizarro universe? ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/484 "2022-02-03T18:39:48Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Is there not one antiganker who will stand up and acknowledge a SINGLE instance of antiganker or miner abuse. Of course there are instances, and they are bad…but you don’t like gankers being held up as a single group, especially those who don’t comply with your ganker code of conduct, so why on earth should you expect ‘antigankers’ to collectively condemn behaviour most are not involved in. Personally I have a policy of never saying anything _at all_ when ganked, not even a ‘gf’, or indeed when involved in AG. So I am never going to get caught up in any of that anyway. Which is _why_ I resent ‘antigankers’ being labelled all in one group. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/485 "2022-02-03T18:42:51Z")
Well, for one thing, the antiganking community is about a dozen people who sit in a channel and cry together, and they generally are in one system (UEDAMA) - so they are kind of a group, with some kind of collective responsibility. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/486 "2022-02-03T18:49:32Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > all ‘miners and antigankers’. I didn’t see the word “All” in aikos post. That’s something you have added and it changes what was said significantly. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/487 "2022-02-03T18:58:15Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Well, for one thing, the antiganking community is about a dozen people who all sit in a channel and cry together, and they generally are in one system (UEDAMA) - so they are kind of a group, with some kind of collective responsibility. I’ve yet to see any of them there. Lately there are more gankers in Dodixie ( even MacGybo has gone there ) and that’s where I have started doing AG…though not as Cilla. Ironically I actually got turned down by Githany’s group…though that was entirely because I dont want to use Discord. So I actually was _rejected_ by that crowd at Uedama. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/488 "2022-02-03T19:05:25Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > a ganker shrill I think perhaps what is most annoying and yet funny, is you can’t even get the insult right 😃 Its ok. Keep on keeping Drac. You put more bullets in AG’s corpse then any ganker 😃 > [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](#): > > The problem occurs when you lose a ship and there’s nothing to learn from it. ■■■■ like that shouldn’t be in the game. ROFL, there is also a lesson to be learnt. Like don’t roll into a hole solo with a praxis 😃 > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I was genuinely wondering why he had lost so many Endurances. So you’re just bad at the game. But then we knew this 😃 > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I am rather proud of getting 3.5bn worth of PI out of Faspara with no loss Yea I’m gonna go ahead and say you’re lying. > [@Jordan\_Kerns](#): > > Your job isnt to become invincible in EVE, but to try and survive the next encounter, and through trial and error, become more efficient at moding and flying the ship. If the ship is a mining, ship, then selecting what best suits your environment. Ah man. It brings a tear to my eye. A hope that in this shallow time, there are still people who can EVE. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Gosh…isn’t it amazing how logic suddenly prevails when it’s _your_ issue but gets turned on its head for anyone else, eh. Modus ponens? > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > This is just pure nonsense. I haven’t seen anyone actually ‘defending’ anything of the sort. In not a single post has Dravclad or anyone else said such behaviour is OK. Instead I have seen people unscrupulously try to _use_ the issue for point scoring…and those such as yourself failing to call out those doing so. In fact not only failing to call out the unscrupulous and absurd witch hunting straw man but actively encouraging it. You, sir, are the one who needs to be called out. Either you are simply not intelligent enough to see what was _really_ going on…or you are condoning behaviour that would not have been out of place at Salem. Oof. Still not a good look for you. Still curious why you decided to die on this particular hill. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > McCarthy asked the exact same question as you. Why can’t people just deny involvement ( with whatever ). But in many cases mere suspicion alone was enough to lose people their jobs…as occurred with Oppenheimer. Cept all we’re asking is if you support sexual harrassment of another player. It ain’t hard bruv. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > All that’s missing here is the mill pond. Anything to get out of giving a straight answer huh 😃 > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Yes…and I have to say I am referring to precisely the sort of behaviour yourself and Gix and Destiny have displayed here. I do not think I have ever seen a more disgusting twisting of things than right here. Ah the absolute irony 😃 > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > I am putting Gix and Destiny and Etch on permanent ignore. As far as I am concerned you guys no longer exist. Bye. This utterly toxic environment is something I can do without…and I have no intention any further of engaging with _the_ most toxic members of it. That you Drac? 😃 > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > I do not condone the toxic manner in which it was asked ! Uh it was asked pretty standardly if I do so say so myself. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > when involved in AG LOL, You haven’t left the same station for a bit here 😃 Lets be honest eh? ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/489 "2022-02-03T19:21:31Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > It’s almost like the people who PvP in a videogame are actually chill and friendly, and the people who oppose PvP in a videogame are super angry and bitter and filled with inner rage. Ya know? Like you could do a psychological study here. I find such statements somewhat bizarre. Of course there is psychology…not least because ganker ‘PvP’ is not exactly a one-on-one equivalence of roles. If you choose to play the ‘lion’, and deem someone else to be the ‘wildebeast’, expect lots of psychology. For example, however difficult it may be technically to gank…I can’t imagine it being psychologically difficult at all. I suspect being top of the food chain is psychologically great fun. You can go round robbing people and have a great laugh. Of course the victims are not going to see it all quite the same way. Being ganked is not some fun, exciting, activity…even if the cat and mouse of avoiding ganks is ( and personally I love it ). Of course there are going to be a lot of people who don’t share in your fun and excitement, and you’re not going to get people proclaiming ’ oh..look…I got robbed…how exciting !’ The point being that it is psychologically _easy_ for you gankers. So its small wonder all the resentment comes from one side. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880.md?page=23) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880.md?page=25)