# Griefing ruins the game **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [January 2, 2022, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880 "2022-01-02T00:21:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Wander\_Prian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wander_prian/32/394208_2.png) [@Wander\_Prian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wander_Prian)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/42 "2022-01-02T09:50:46Z")
> [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](#): > > Podding is against what we call ‘wormhole bushido’. Because of the way Jspace mechanics work getting a pod back in takes a lot of time, so its generally frowned upon unless they have a clone after a fleet fight or capital tackle. Killing a pod in W-space is a valid tactic. You may not like it, but that is part of W-space. It’s not griefing. You may have a rule against it, but it’s not widely accepted as you claim. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/43 "2022-01-02T10:03:30Z")
> [@Not\_Muppet](#): > > never again pod anyone Well some people might prefer a podexpress home instead of having to move back a chain especially if the chain is broken by the time they try to slowpod home and without scanprobes the only alternative is self destruct anyway, so instead of a time consuming self destruct a podexpress is the helpful thing to do for such. Maybe ask politely if they want an express ride home. 😉 (Yes I’m aware you’ve been just joking sarcastically so just riding along with the theme.) ---
**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/44 "2022-01-02T10:59:50Z")
Its a valid tactic in an actual fight or an eviction, not a gank. it is otherwise considered dishonorable, widely. Its one of the first things Ashy talks about in her blogs. > **[Living in Wormhole Space: A Primer & Fitting Guide » Ashy in Space](https://ashyin.space/living-in-wormhole-space-primer/)** > > Living in wormholes can be tricky if you don't know how to do it. This guide will tell you nearly everything you need to know. ---
**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/45 "2022-01-02T11:00:49Z")
Im not the one so starved for content my entire corp jumps at the ping of a roller. Maybe if you weren’t trash you could take fleet fights instead of ganking solo players. [[Album] AMOR is trash ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/4/d/74d3843da8f4eaaf5e33c065c09fb39d2de907e0.jpeg "AMOR is trash") ](https://imgur.com/a/0Iw6WNm) oof, looks like you guys got your ass handed to you when you tried a fleet fight maybe you should stick to 10v1s @Not_Muppet ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/46 "2022-01-02T11:35:57Z")
> [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](#): > > Nullsecc’rs are given a pass. > > This was a wormhole corp, but losing the praxis isn’t a big deal, it happens all the time. > > It was the holding for ewar and then podding that got to me – thats the part I consider griefing > > Podding is against what we call ‘wormhole bushido’. Because of the way Jspace mechanics work getting a pod back in takes a lot of time, so its generally frowned upon unless they have a clone after a fleet fight or capital tackle. Or they were trying to get you out on purpose. The “holding and podding” are intended game play mechanics and not griefing. Sorry bruv. You may call it WH bushido, but it doesn’t mean everyone follows the code or has to. It may make you feel morally superior, but you still got that trip to the clone bay. It seems you keep getting taught the same lesson, you just aren’t learning it. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I much prefer to play on the “No Threat Don’t Shoot” basis or NTDS as I call it. I like to have reasons to shoot someone in game. There are plenty of reasons to shoot 😃 > [@Not\_Muppet](#): > > If I had the foresight to know the tears, heartache and grief that killing this poor defenseless praxis would have caused… > > Him coming into our pub channel after we left to continue his barrage of harsh criticism… pointing out all of our flaws and reminding us of how trash we are really did a number on us. After a few hours of deep soul searching we met as a leadership team to discuss our path forward. > > Moving forward the wild alpha praxis will be free to roam wspace… free from our rabid assaults. We will also begin to honor wormhole bushido and never again pod anyone. Please forgive us for our misgivings. > > “Did someone say Praxis?!” -AMOR 2022 Heh. Although I know you’re kidding, please continue to pod him 😃 I love these threads man. > [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](#): > > Its a valid tactic in an actual fight or an eviction, not a gank. it is otherwise considered dishonorable, widely. Its one of the first things Ashy talks about in her blogs. You already admit it is a valid tactic. You didn’t get ganked. You lost a PvP fight 😃 Funny how honor seems to only exist to protect you hm? Honor for me would have been taking the loss without trash talk and accepting the death as your fault. > [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](#): > > Im not the one so starved for content my entire corp jumps at the ping of a roller. Maybe if you weren’t trash you could take fleet fights instead of ganking solo players. Well, I mean you do roll in your hole solo 😃 Also, you rolled solo, the risk was yours. And you didn’t get ganked. You lost a PvP fight 😃 > [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](#): > > oof, looks like you guys got your ass handed to you when you tried a fleet fight > maybe you should stick to 10v1s @Not_Muppet The level of salt you generate upon death is amazing 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/47 "2022-01-02T11:43:47Z")
> **[Gix Firebrand | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/734893156/)** > > Gix Firebrand: 65 ships destroyed and 14 ships lost. You’re a little obsessed with me, you comment multiple times on every thread I make. Get off my dick. ---
**Author:** ![Wander\_Prian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wander_prian/32/394208_2.png) [@Wander\_Prian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wander_Prian)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/48 "2022-01-02T12:53:39Z")
It’s a valid tactic anywhere. Sure, it may not be considered classy, but comparing it to actual griefing is wayyy off the mark. You should always expect to be podded, as it is with anything you bring into w-space, it’s already lost anyway. While there are unwritten rules that have become common over the years, saying that it’s a certified code that everyone follows is just setting up yourself to disappointment. Go into W-space with the expectation of losing everything, then you won’t be disappointed to be able to sail away with your ship/capsule. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/49 "2022-01-02T13:20:39Z")
> [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](#): > > Its a valid tactic in an actual fight or an eviction, not a gank. it is otherwise considered dishonorable, widely. ![1320529223886](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/a/0/aa0e88f9dbe183544c74aad47b15100007b27e6c.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Ned\_Nakugard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ned_nakugard/32/302975_2.png) [@Ned\_Nakugard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ned_Nakugard)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/50 "2022-01-02T14:41:58Z")
As a member of AMOR, I would like to apologize for not showing up for ping to kill you. I was too busy ganking 3 day old characters mining in ventures in hisec. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Scat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jack_scat/32/302976_2.png) [@Jack\_Scat](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jack_Scat)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/51 "2022-01-02T14:53:08Z")
[2022.01.02 02:24:40] Desmios Sanguis \> Ive lost a lot of ships but Ive never seen a corp so thrilled that they held ewar on a 200m praxis [2022.01.02 02:24:42] Jack Scat \> You sound like a Karen [2022.01.02 02:24:53] Desmios Sanguis \> You sound like a content starved f1 monkey [2022.01.02 02:25:01] Alex Harekal \> very starved [2022.01.02 02:25:05] Desmios Sanguis \> I can tell [2022.01.02 02:25:05] Takma Apieros \> would you like to speak to a manager? [2022.01.02 02:25:09] Alex Harekal \> you dont seem to be starved of content though 😃 [2022.01.02 02:25:10] Jack Scat \> You fed us and we thank you [2022.01.02 02:25:17] Alex Harekal \> yummy [2022.01.02 02:25:17] Takma Apieros \> aw hell, I am a manager sheeeeet [2022.01.02 02:25:33] Desmios Sanguis \> 2 praxis is your definition of fed? You are running on empty bellies then [2022.01.02 02:26:00] Desmios Sanguis \> atleast HK and HOSA have decency when they gan [2022.01.02 02:26:04] Desmios Sanguis \> gank\* [2022.01.02 02:26:30] Takma Apieros \> how so? [2022.01.02 02:26:37] Desmios Sanguis \> you’re just content starved f1 monkeys that need to pile on to pings because you get swamped in fair fights [2022.01.02 02:27:11] Alex Harekal \> what would be a fair fight? [2022.01.02 02:27:15] Jack Scat \> You should buy guns with all that isk [2022.01.02 02:27:22] Desmios Sanguis \> #1 they don’t mobilzie an entire corp for a 200m battleship#2 they dont hold ewar#3 they dont pod#4 they dont act like ganking an unarmed ship is a major accomplishment [2022.01.02 02:27:24] Alex Harekal \> have you considered null sec? [2022.01.02 02:27:40] Desmios Sanguis \> Why would I move to nullsec? I own a c5/5 [2022.01.02 02:27:42] Alex Harekal \> a list! looks like we need to send this to the manager! [2022.01.02 02:27:45] Desmios Sanguis \> Its one of the most lucrative areas of space [2022.01.02 02:28:37] Desmios Sanguis \> You guys flip ■■■■ at the opportunity to gank an alpha praxis, you hold ewar, you pod, you talk ■■■■ [2022.01.02 02:28:47] Desmios Sanguis \> and then you get your ass kicked versus any coherent fleet [2022.01.02 02:28:54] Desmios Sanguis \> You’re literal trash [2022.01.02 02:28:58] Desmios Sanguis \> The bottom of Jspace [2022.01.02 02:29:09] Jack Scat \> You should make a strongly worded Eve forums post [2022.01.02 02:29:21] Alex Harekal \> i hear that goes well [2022.01.02 02:43:55] Arcturen Sanguis \> well come on then [2022.01.02 02:43:57] Arcturen Sanguis \> seed the hole [2022.01.02 02:44:00] Arcturen Sanguis \> next HS do an eviction [2022.01.02 02:44:04] Arcturen Sanguis \> do it pussies [2022.01.02 02:44:18] Jack Scat \> Sir you need to calm down [2022.01.02 02:44:22] Arcturen Sanguis \> Ill leave next HS open just 4 u [2022.01.02 02:44:32] Arcturen Sanguis \> bring the ‘best’ youve got XD XD [2022.01.02 02:45:27] Jack Scat \> You should roll with Dread to roll, stop being poor [2022.01.02 02:45:28] Arcturen Sanguis \> trash-talking pod-killing km-whoring scrubs [2022.01.02 02:45:35] Arcturen Sanguis \> I have an archon for that [2022.01.02 02:45:40] Arcturen Sanguis \> i use dread for ratting [2022.01.02 02:45:42] Arcturen Sanguis \> both are in my PoS [2022.01.02 02:45:45] Arcturen Sanguis \> ccome take them [2022.01.02 02:45:47] McBobtronic \> sick [2022.01.02 02:45:50] Jack Scat \> You had Praxis for that [2022.01.02 02:45:56] Arcturen Sanguis \> because it was a dangerous hole [2022.01.02 02:46:03] Arcturen Sanguis \> why tf would I bring archon into a home hole [2022.01.02 02:46:30] Arcturen Sanguis \> noob [2022.01.02 02:46:37] Arcturen Sanguis \> come take my capitals [2022.01.02 02:46:41] Arcturen Sanguis \> come take the upwell core [2022.01.02 02:46:54] Arcturen Sanguis \> ooo bet you cant [2022.01.02 02:46:58] Arcturen Sanguis \> noobs [2022.01.02 02:47:21] Arcturen Sanguis \> keep podding and killwhoring, make sure to hold that ewar on the 2mil venture, need green on that KB to make up for boundaries spanking you [2022.01.02 02:47:30] Arcturen Sanguis \> pussies ---
**Author:** ![TrickyDicky](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trickydicky/32/302978_2.png) [@TrickyDicky](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TrickyDicky)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/52 "2022-01-02T15:19:42Z")
Did someone say praxis!? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/53 "2022-01-02T15:25:26Z")
😂 I see why they podded you, @Arcturen_Sanguis . It’s your behaviour that makes people really want to pod you. Next time maybe don’t talk trash to your opponents? ---
**Author:** ![SimpleSimon61](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/simplesimon61/32/302985_2.png) [@SimpleSimon61](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SimpleSimon61)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/54 "2022-01-02T16:38:13Z")
I didn’t see the podding is against wormhole bushido in the link to the Ashyin Space living in wormhole space primer that you included in the post. The Primer does say that WH space is pretty much about PvP. The Bushido that is listed is about keeping fights fair unless it’s a gank or home defense. From reading your posts, sounds like you were ganked unless you’re now telling us you brought the praxis to fight and asked for a fight. ??? Struggling to understand the 3 minutes of EWR before you were podded. Why didn’t you jump back through the WH or self destruct to stop the “Griefing”? From reading the kill mails the ship lost to podding are all within a minute. It can feel a lot longer when PvPing. Just confused about your post. Fly Safe o7 ---
**Author:** ![Bernie\_Nator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bernie_nator/32/390552_2.png) [@Bernie\_Nator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bernie_Nator)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/55 "2022-01-02T16:40:43Z")
Going off this guys posts, I’d have evicted him. Just for the salt deposits lying in the structures. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Xiskogen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_xiskogen/32/289613_2.png) [@Lord\_Xiskogen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Xiskogen)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/56 "2022-01-02T16:52:21Z")
I wasn’t even on the kill xD ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/57 "2022-01-02T16:54:56Z")
You don’t actually have to roll your hole closed. If you are good at PvP, you can just do that instead. No reason to be a crybaby coward who has to lock themselves into a hole every night. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Xiskogen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_xiskogen/32/289613_2.png) [@Lord\_Xiskogen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Xiskogen)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/58 "2022-01-02T16:59:09Z")
They had 2x the numbers and dropped 4 marauders xD Was a good fight. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Xiskogen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lord_xiskogen/32/289613_2.png) [@Lord\_Xiskogen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lord_Xiskogen)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/59 "2022-01-02T17:01:04Z")
Many fits have full neut rack, why would we assume Alpha ? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/60 "2022-01-02T17:02:39Z")
> [@Ned\_Nakugard](#): > > I was too busy ganking 3 day old characters mining in ventures in hisec. If you want to fleet up sometime, let me know. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Muppet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/not_muppet/32/302935_2.png) [@Not\_Muppet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Not_Muppet)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/61 "2022-01-02T17:02:40Z")
This was him after he got the notification that I was shooting his astra. Had no actual intentions of blowing up the newly discovered salt mine. This 8th wonder of the world must remain for others to enjoy in all its beauty. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/b/d/3bdddda130969a2bde30a58878ba8b8e892482bb.png) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880.md?page=4)