# Griefing ruins the game **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [January 2, 2022, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880 "2022-01-02T00:21:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 3:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/83 "2022-01-03T03:41:04Z")
calm down wormholio. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 3:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/84 "2022-01-03T03:43:10Z")
> [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](#): > > How have I failed to take the hole? > **[Revelation | Desmios Sanguis | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/96525663/)** > > Desmios Sanguis (10th Crusade) lost their Revelation in J100415 (E-R00025). Final Blow by Mare Flint (Hard Knocks Inc.) flying in a Leshak. Total Value: 7,205,027,168.83 ISK > **[Golem | Arcturen Sanguis | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/97029255/)** > > Arcturen Sanguis (10th Crusade) lost their Golem in J100415 (E-R00025). Final Blow by KarAMBAAAA (Bean-shidh) flying in a Drekavac. Total Value: 3,027,250,390.63 ISK > **[Capsule | Arcturen Sanguis | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/97029261/)** > > Arcturen Sanguis (10th Crusade) lost their Capsule in J100415 (E-R00025) Total Value: 801,900,235.63 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 3:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/85 "2022-01-03T03:44:47Z")
And how does that indicate a failure to take a hole? edit: Wait, are you actually dumb enough to think when you take a hole you make it impossible for others to get in somehow? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 3:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/86 "2022-01-03T03:45:15Z")
You are being farmed. The hole clearly belongs to someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/87 "2022-01-03T03:46:10Z")
Oh wow you are actually dumb enough to think that. Thats cute. go back to ganking highsec miners and leave the big space for the big bois little man ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 3:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/88 "2022-01-03T03:47:53Z")
You are crying about “griefers” bullying you. That doesn’t sound like someone who has TOTAL HOLE CONTROL. ---
**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 3:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/89 "2022-01-03T03:49:30Z")
First of all, there’s no such thing as total hole control. There’s hole control, and it lasts only 72hrs when you are doing an eviction or being evicted. After that… theres only rolling off wanderers and crit’ing statics. Don’t stick your nose where it doesn’t belong. Put it back where it does belong – killing defenseless miners that pose no challenge. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 3:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/90 "2022-01-03T03:54:25Z")
According to zkillboard, the owner of ‘your’ hole is Lord Xiskogen. ---
**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 3:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/91 "2022-01-03T03:56:43Z")
Odd, because he has never made any money in this hole, nor does he have any structures or characters in the hole. I’ve made hundreds of billions in this hole and he’s made none. So if this is his hole, he has done a horrible job. I started with just an astra and 2 nestors and I now have a full fleet of capitals and 3 charons worth of other ships. So yeah, he is doing pretty damn bad if this is his hole. Whats more likely is you don’t know what you’re talking about and are trash. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 3:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/92 "2022-01-03T03:57:48Z")
He made twelve million isk recently from a Praxis he farmed. ---
**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 4:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/93 "2022-01-03T04:01:17Z")
Lets see, so he has made 12,000,000 isk I have made 100,000,000,000+ isk both in the same hole You’re right, its definitely his! You stupid griefer 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 4:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/94 "2022-01-03T04:52:14Z")
Anyone else seeing the depravity over this whole hole control and who owns the hole thing. So you think you own that hole because you’re in that hole, when in actual fact someone else owns that hole and you’re getting fked in that hole. It’s actually someone else’s hole. ---
**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 4:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/95 "2022-01-03T04:52:52Z")
I’ve made over a hundred billion isk since Ive moved into the hole. How am I getting ■■■■■■? ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 4:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/96 "2022-01-03T04:53:18Z")
You can’t control your hole boy. Someone else be up in that hole, sneaking in when you’re not looking. ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 4:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/97 "2022-01-03T04:53:47Z")
I don’t really care. This whole thing is pretty ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 4:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/98 "2022-01-03T04:53:48Z")
Yeah, thats how wormhole space works. Holes open up randomly and people come through them. ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 4:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/99 "2022-01-03T04:58:21Z")
What about that always sunny in philadelphia episode. “You gotta pay the troll toll if you wanna get into to that boys hole” ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 5:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/100 "2022-01-03T05:01:54Z")
> [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](#): > > I’ve made hundreds of billions in this hole > [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](#): > > I’ve made over a hundred billion isk I feel like you are not being honest with us. You don’t seem to actually know how much you’ve made, although zkillboard indicates that you lost 25 billion. ---
**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 5:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/101 "2022-01-03T05:02:25Z")
thats basically how it is. You have to close holes using a battleship or carrier so that you can do stuff in it (which both can be ganked) and then even while doing stuff holes can open up and people can come in while youre warp scrammed by npc(s) and you die. Its just something you accept as a cost of doing business, a tax, like a toll to maintain the hole. ---
**Author:** ![Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arcturen_sanguis/32/261712_2.png) [@Arcturen\_Sanguis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arcturen_Sanguis)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 5:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880/102 "2022-01-03T05:04:58Z")
Yeah 25bil is about right. I’m playing big stakes here, I’m in dreads or pimped out dual marauders all day. This is big boi stuff and involves big boi numbers, not something you griefers are used to. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/griefing-ruins-the-game/343880.md?page=6)