# Hard Knocks Citizens, former wormhole overlord, now make a living through fraud **URL:** \ **Category:** Corporation & Alliance Discussion\ **Created:** [October 13, 2024, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hard-knocks-citizens-former-wormhole-overlord-now-make-a-living-through-fraud/464460 "2024-10-13T17:39:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Gina\_Snow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gina_snow/32/436790_2.png) [@Gina\_Snow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gina_Snow)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hard-knocks-citizens-former-wormhole-overlord-now-make-a-living-through-fraud/464460/1 "2024-10-13T17:39:33Z")
In order to make isk in the wormhole, I need to rent a C6 wormhole. After learning about my needs, the Hard Knocks Citizens Alliance contacted Sicarious Omnipole defended me under the identity of the Head of Hard Knocks Wormhole Sales&Continental Team. The management of the Hard Knocks Citizens Alliance and Hard Knocks Inc. tacitly approved of this fraudulent behavior. When I entered their Discord to report the issue to the management, the Hard Knocks Inc. management rudely removed me from the channel. I want the wormhole players to see the true face of this alliance and not be deceived again; And also need the Hard Knocks Citizens Alliance to provide me with an explanation If possible, can you help me retrieve my 19.49b isk > [@\[C6 & C5\] Hard Knocks Citizens Wormhole Rental and Sale Service](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/c6-c5-hard-knocks-citizens-wormhole-rental-and-sale-service/461006): > > My name is Sicarious Omnipole, head of the Hard Knocks Wormhole Sale & Rental Team. [Hard Knocks Citizens](https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99005065/) is the most active and experienced wormhole alliance currently operating. The goal of this service is to populate wormhole space by offering solo players or small groups the opportunity to generate large sums of ISK for little effort with all of the logistics and set-up carried out for you by the wider sales & rental team. We are proud to be the only entity offering C6 sales and rentals. We… Gina Snow \> hi ,i am ready Sicarious Omnipole \> Hello, how are you? Gina Snow \> could you give me the final price Sicarious Omnipole \> Yes, one moment Gina Snow \> ok Gina Snow \> Can my new corp join your alliance Gina Snow depopulated zone Sicarious Omnipole \> I am scanning you an entrance now Sicarious Omnipole \> When I find an entrance I will give you constellation then when I confirm payment I will give your corp access Gina Snow \> Okay, I won’t disturb you for now Sicarious Omnipole \> 19.49b Sicarious Omnipole Shmuck Fally Will scan you in Gina Snow \> ISK has been sent ==========================================================[ Re: 回复： Re: 回复： Re: 回复： C6 Rental 发件人：Sicarious Omnipole 发送时间：2024.10.09 17:29 收件人：Gina Snow, Hi Gina, I hope you are well, I am available on Friday at 13:00 EVE Time to provide you an entrance, if you are available at this time please let me know. I suggest you move the characters you want to Jita in the meantime. I will calculate the cost of the extra citadels of 110% Jita sell on Friday and give you final price when giving you the entrance. I will also invite Gina Snow to a corporation in Hard Knocks when inside the wormhole so you can have +10 standings. ## Thanks and Good Day, Sicarious 回复： Re: 回复： Re: 回复： C6 Rental From: Gina Snow Sent: 2024.10.09 11:47 To: Sicarious Omnipole, hi,we need Athanor and Raitaru . The cost will be paid together with the rent. Please set Gina Snow as the building access administrator and look forward to the entrance of C6-6. * * * Re: 回复： Re: 回复： C6 Rental 从: Sicarious Omnipole 已发送: 2024.10.03 21:38 到: Gina Snow, Hi Gina, It is 3 months upfront for 18b, on the 4th month it is then 6b a month. All our wormholes on offer have a fitted and fuelled fortizar and astrahus for you. If you want an athanor it will cost 110% of jita sell. Eviction protection is not mandatory, you do not need to buy it. I am very busy this week and will not be able to scan you an entrance into the C6-6 magnetar, I will put the wormhole on reserve for you so it will not be taken by other customers. Next week I will organise a time and day when we are both online so I can give you an entrance to wormhole. Thank you, Sicarious * * * 回复： Re: 回复： C6 Rental From: Gina Snow Sent: 2024.10.03 12:08 To: Sicarious Omnipole, 6b/month OR 12b/month ? Eviction Protection Is mandatory to choose? * * * Re: 回复： C6 Rental 从: Sicarious Omnipole 已发送: 2024.10.02 23:05 到: Gina Snow, Hello Gina Snow, Please read this WORMHOLE SALES & RENTAL AGREEMENT, I have a C6-6 magnetar currently available to rent or buy, if this document is satisfactory or if you have any questions please let me know. ## Thanks, Sicarious 回复： C6 Rental From: Gina Snow Sent: 2024.10.01 14:17 To: Sicarious Omnipole, Hello Sicarious Omnipole, I’m sorry to just see your email. I need to rent a 6-6. If you have a 6-6 for rent, please let me know the price. If the price is suitable, I would like to rent it. Due to the inconvenience of practical discussions in the current situation, I have added you as a contact person, and we can also communicate through email. Looking forward to your reply. * * * C6 Rental 从: Sicarious Omnipole 已发送: 2024.09.19 18:49 到: Gina Snow, Hello, My name is Sicarious Omnipole, head of the Hard Knocks Sales & Rental Team, I’ve been told that you want to rent a C6-6 wormhole, I have a some available and would be interested in letting you rent one of our wormholes. Please add me on discord:wowfabgroovy to discuss. Have a nice day, Sicarious ---
**Author:** ![Gina\_Snow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gina_snow/32/436790_2.png) [@Gina\_Snow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gina_Snow)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hard-knocks-citizens-former-wormhole-overlord-now-make-a-living-through-fraud/464460/2 "2024-10-13T17:47:09Z")
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**Author:** ![Gina\_Snow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gina_snow/32/436790_2.png) [@Gina\_Snow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gina_Snow)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hard-knocks-citizens-former-wormhole-overlord-now-make-a-living-through-fraud/464460/3 "2024-10-13T17:47:47Z")
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**Author:** ![Gina\_Snow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gina_snow/32/436790_2.png) [@Gina\_Snow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gina_Snow)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hard-knocks-citizens-former-wormhole-overlord-now-make-a-living-through-fraud/464460/4 "2024-10-13T17:48:24Z")
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**Author:** ![Gina\_Snow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gina_snow/32/436790_2.png) [@Gina\_Snow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gina_Snow)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hard-knocks-citizens-former-wormhole-overlord-now-make-a-living-through-fraud/464460/5 "2024-10-13T17:49:01Z")
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**Author:** ![Gina\_Snow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gina_snow/32/436790_2.png) [@Gina\_Snow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gina_Snow)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hard-knocks-citizens-former-wormhole-overlord-now-make-a-living-through-fraud/464460/6 "2024-10-13T17:49:36Z")
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**Author:** ![Matthew\_Reddy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/matthew_reddy/32/436807_2.png) [@Matthew\_Reddy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Matthew_Reddy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hard-knocks-citizens-former-wormhole-overlord-now-make-a-living-through-fraud/464460/7 "2024-10-13T19:06:15Z")
Crab man bad? ---
**Author:** ![Ymenoa\_Merenet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ymenoa_merenet/32/468239_2.png) [@Ymenoa\_Merenet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ymenoa_Merenet)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hard-knocks-citizens-former-wormhole-overlord-now-make-a-living-through-fraud/464460/8 "2024-10-13T19:08:34Z")
I’m still waiting for my cut bro ---
**Author:** ![KrunK\_EnstinE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/krunk_enstine/32/426820_2.png) [@KrunK\_EnstinE](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/KrunK_EnstinE)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hard-knocks-citizens-former-wormhole-overlord-now-make-a-living-through-fraud/464460/9 "2024-10-13T20:09:21Z")
HK doesn’t officially scam, it is not a corp sanctioned activity. However line members are free to do as they please so uh /shrug Looks like you just got a semi not so expensive lesson in eve online. If it seems too good to be true, it probably isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2024, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hard-knocks-citizens-former-wormhole-overlord-now-make-a-living-through-fraud/464460/10 "2024-10-13T20:16:41Z")
The clue is in the name. ‘Hard Knocks’? ---
**Author:** ![Gina\_Snow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gina_snow/32/436790_2.png) [@Gina\_Snow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gina_Snow)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hard-knocks-citizens-former-wormhole-overlord-now-make-a-living-through-fraud/464460/11 "2024-10-14T00:13:16Z")
> [@Gina\_Snow](#): > > Hard Knocks Citizens Hard Knocks Citizens ---
**Author:** ![Gina\_Snow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gina_snow/32/436790_2.png) [@Gina\_Snow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gina_Snow)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 12:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hard-knocks-citizens-former-wormhole-overlord-now-make-a-living-through-fraud/464460/13 "2024-10-14T00:18:00Z")
The fact is that this person posted rental information on the forum and engaged in fraud under the name of the Head of Hard Knocks Wormhole Sales&Continental Team for a long time. The Hard Knocks Citizens Alliance and Hard Knocks Inc. tacitly approved his behavior, so this is a fraudulent alliance ---
**Author:** ![KrunK\_EnstinE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/krunk_enstine/32/426820_2.png) [@KrunK\_EnstinE](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/KrunK_EnstinE)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hard-knocks-citizens-former-wormhole-overlord-now-make-a-living-through-fraud/464460/14 "2024-10-14T00:38:16Z")
Officers of Hard Knocks are strictly banned from any sort of scams or lying… You joined an unofficial discord server and got took… Members are free to do as they please, you got scammed by a line member. If you have proof an officer did it or assisted in any way, I will reimburse you. Have a nice day. ---
**Author:** ![Corenti](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corenti/32/436851_2.png) [@Corenti](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corenti)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 1:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hard-knocks-citizens-former-wormhole-overlord-now-make-a-living-through-fraud/464460/15 "2024-10-14T01:44:50Z")
_surprised pikachu face_ ---
**Author:** ![Punchus\_Pilot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/punchus_pilot/32/436856_2.png) [@Punchus\_Pilot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Punchus_Pilot)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 3:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hard-knocks-citizens-former-wormhole-overlord-now-make-a-living-through-fraud/464460/16 "2024-10-14T03:52:06Z")
10 years later HK still delivers ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 4:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hard-knocks-citizens-former-wormhole-overlord-now-make-a-living-through-fraud/464460/17 "2024-10-14T04:53:20Z")
😂 This trick still works? It has been going on for many years. ---
**Author:** ![Gina\_Snow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gina_snow/32/436790_2.png) [@Gina\_Snow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gina_Snow)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hard-knocks-citizens-former-wormhole-overlord-now-make-a-living-through-fraud/464460/18 "2024-10-14T11:42:55Z")
This person has been using the identity of the boss of Hard Knocks Wormhole Sales&Continental Team for a long time to commit fraud. I also verified his identity with other members of the legion and confirmed that he is indeed the boss responsible for wormhole rental business. Therefore, it can be shown that the legion members, including the management, are aware of this matter and tacitly approve of this behavior. When I went to confront him on the official Discord, the legion members all said that his money was used for super gambling and then removed me from Discord. As long as I have not received compensation of 19.49b, I will send emails to 100 players on zkillboard every day informing them that HK is a fraud alliance. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hard-knocks-citizens-former-wormhole-overlord-now-make-a-living-through-fraud/464460/19 "2024-10-14T14:01:12Z")
Hey, looks like you were scammed. I thought scamming was still part of EVE. If the putative scammer was operating outside the rules governing his membership of HK, then they may well discipline him; or not, of course. It’s a matter for them. If, on the other hand, his colleagues and overlords deem his behaviour not to have broken the rules, then - you’ve learned a lesson; go away, lick your wounds and never fall for the same scam again. Spam-posting emails to random folk on zKill will make you quite unpopular, trust me. Your reaction will not strike fear into a pro-scammer; he or she will probably regard it as the icing on the cake. Perhaps ‘suck it up’ might be wholesome advice, in this instance? ---
**Author:** ![Gewik\_O\_Drakar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gewik_o_drakar/32/471423_2.png) [@Gewik\_O\_Drakar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gewik_O_Drakar)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hard-knocks-citizens-former-wormhole-overlord-now-make-a-living-through-fraud/464460/20 "2024-10-14T14:33:50Z")
First day in Eve? ---
**Author:** ![Gina\_Snow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gina_snow/32/436790_2.png) [@Gina\_Snow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gina_Snow)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hard-knocks-citizens-former-wormhole-overlord-now-make-a-living-through-fraud/464460/21 "2024-10-14T15:09:05Z")
What I want to do is to let the majority of active users know that the Hard Knocks Citizens Alliance and Hard Knocks Inc. are a gathering place for fraudsters, and upright gentlemen disdain to collude with them. Preventing upright people from joining this alliance is something I am willing to do. Perseverance is a kind of happiness, and I will always persist in doing it. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hard-knocks-citizens-former-wormhole-overlord-now-make-a-living-through-fraud/464460.md?page=2)