# Has eve hit a point because of filament's that it is not worth living in low sec anymore? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** low-sec, pvp\ **Created:** [December 20, 2020, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207 "2020-12-20T22:20:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207/41 "2020-12-21T21:02:34Z")
I understand and agree. Those “few” are only few compared to the millions of lower standards, though. When CCP says they don’t want players to be self-reliant … … that means they want people to have hardships they need to overcome in groups, right? ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207/42 "2020-12-21T21:17:01Z")
I don’t know what CCP wants. That kind of transparency isn’t there. To me, they appear fickle. I don’t really listen to what they say. I look at what they do, and whether it is consistent. The changing of the CCP\_Guard, so to speak, gives me pause, and there is nobody left in CCP who has my full confidence and is bothering to voice anything to me. If what they’re saying is the honest truth of their intent, though, then your conclusion would be reasonable. I just also know that the pressure to cave into player convenience is there and will not abate. Eve needs someone committed at the helm if it wants take a different course and the risks that go along with that. Hellmar hasn’t shown me he is that kind of person. I’m not saying he isn’t, but it’s not a distinction he’s earned from me. If you were in charge, I would not hedge my bets. I know where you stand, but it’s an earned state that only a person can hold. CCP as a company can’t do it, and the remaining employees have not achieved it. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207/43 "2020-12-21T21:28:28Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > So I should stop training my FW character? well… we can live toguether 😃 but is a bad time ☹ > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > What? How? low sec is full of miners and null sec people those folks that like to dock wen a red appear on local… or to form … with intel channels … the anti low sec chad way ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207/44 "2020-12-21T21:38:57Z")
Nullsec farmers have infested lowsec?? Where’s the lowsec crowd pushing back? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207/45 "2020-12-21T21:44:50Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Nullsec farmers have infested lowsec?? yes > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Where’s the lowsec crowd pushing back? i guess we are to used to less than 10 minutes wait voluntary pew pew the null sec bureaucrats are robing our youth ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 9:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207/46 "2020-12-21T21:48:16Z")
Oh, right. I keep forgetting that the modern lowsec crowd isn’t the same lowsec crowd I remember. Or maybe I’m wrong and it’s not just all about faction warfare anymore, but there’s still plenty of pirate groups claiming their territory and ■■■■. I mean outside of the main hubs. Okay, I understand, except for one part: What keeps you from grouping up and shooting them? Lowseccers in general should be far more capable than those nullsec wannabes. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207/47 "2020-12-21T21:49:31Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > pirate groups claiming their territory the pirates are fine they have the same heart as the militia old days … new guy … wt in amamake me… hey militia chat is to talk ■■■■ not to report , we dont care stop that new guy ok but now is critical andersen ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207/48 "2020-12-21T21:51:32Z")
Out of interest which null guys? I only have experience from gal/cal side and don’t amarr militia have the aid of dock workers which are a pretty formidable force? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207/49 "2020-12-21T21:51:39Z")
Pirates cease to exist when there’s no one to pirate. Killing an occasional month-old player who accidentally jumps into low-sec doesn’t sustain piracy in the traditional sense of the term. So all of those OG groups have died out, or rather, switched to camping Uedama and the Jita undock. What’s in low-sec these days? The last time I flew through, there was a camp on one or two entry systems, and everywhere else was completely desolate. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207/50 "2020-12-21T21:53:59Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > What’s in low-sec these days? The last time I flew through, there was a camp on one or two entry systems, and everywhere else was completely desolate. Pretty much this is my experience as well, black flag on kinnaka gate and wangs on tama. Then the occasional bot farmer doing fw plex’s and insta warping out if you appear on 1AU. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207/51 "2020-12-21T21:54:46Z")
the pirates still exist , the minmatar are kinda gone yesterday i jumped 20 jumps and no minmatar i saw some dock workers( the pirates) they are fine, they roam , and camp and enter plexes they are like militia guys , ready to fight yesterday i plex uncontested , and i got bored , and i used filaments to roam null because no pew pew in low meanwhile a LOT of miners ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207/52 "2020-12-21T21:55:53Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > meanwhile a LOT of miners In low-sec? Where? Are they insta-warp bots? ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207/53 "2020-12-21T21:56:26Z")
I am having a hard time understanding your post. And who’s critical andersen?? Why don’t you shoot the miners in low?? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207/54 "2020-12-21T21:57:42Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > In low-sec? Where? Are they insta-warp bots? no but low sec guys are used to fight in plexes or in stations no probe , wen we see a legion using combat probes in low we laugh we don’t have patience to jump to 100 mine belts just to see the miner scape to station i killed one or 2 barges but its boooooring ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207/55 "2020-12-21T21:59:17Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > i killed one or 2 barges but its boooooring Ah, I get it. Try logoff traps and cloaks? Or actually try claiming territory with a bunch of others? I mean, classical setting up home in a lowsec system and kicking out everyone. You sound more like you’re part of a group that’s not actually a group. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207/56 "2020-12-21T22:00:56Z")
You know what I’m starting to think? CCP needs to rebalance the economy so that modules have a **much** higher value in relation to ships. Kind of the way it was before invention, when T2 mods and many named modules went for 5+ ISK million each, and some battleships were as low as 60-70 million ISK each. That could potentially help with piracy profits even against limited targets. On top of that, it would allow players to experiment with dangerous space more, because they could put budget fits on inexpensive but powerful ships for whelping. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207/57 "2020-12-21T22:02:08Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > I am having a hard time understanding your post. > > And who’s critical andersen?? > > Why don’t you shoot the miners in low?? we don’t care for gate camps, we don’t care for intel we plex and we fight we are anarchic , we join just to kill a IHUB them we go away if we got blobed we reship its a simple life not like null = i need a buddy to go to the bathroom please ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207/59 "2020-12-21T22:12:24Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You know what I’m starting to think? > > CCP needs to rebalance the economy so that modules have a **much** higher value in relation to ships. Kind of the way it was before invention, when T2 mods and many named modules people prefer to be servants than to be free there was nothing in low sec to attract tyrants that way just the weirdos like me lived there folks who are bored with the “game” now there is mining new guys can join a corp , and be part of a group , and be a happy slave ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207/60 "2020-12-21T22:15:11Z")
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**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207/61 "2020-12-21T22:22:26Z")
It’s so funny to see all these carebear posts swearing that piracy is out of hand in this game when in reality the PvP community in its entirety is on the verge of extinction. What a bunch of entitled brats. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/has-eve-hit-a-point-because-of-filaments-that-it-is-not-worth-living-in-low-sec-anymore/286207.md?page=4)