# Hauling With an Orca **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 2, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hauling-with-an-orca/368856 "2022-07-02T17:23:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TiberianSun371AlexW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiberiansun371alexw/32/510819_2.png) [@TiberianSun371AlexW](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TiberianSun371AlexW)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hauling-with-an-orca/368856/1 "2022-07-02T17:23:23Z")
I notice that some people seem to have hauling fits for Orcas. Why is this? Deep Space Transports are pretty decent with the Cloak Trick. An Orca can move lots of ore or ice around if you’re sure you won’t be suicide ganked. However, the capacity for normal stuff doesn’t seem impressive without cargo expanders and cargohold optimization. Those modules cut the tank of the ship. Some people are comfortable with that, and I can sort of see someone deciding to go for that option. With the lows are a DC, something besides a cargo expander, and the rigs don’t have cargohold optimization, I don’t see why anyone would use an Orca to haul anything besides assembled ships and mining stuff. I suppose if someone wanted to move 3 cruisers with T2 rigs and then decided “oh, I had some stuff I wanted to take to the destination constellation anyways” they’d load up whatever stuff they need to bring, but I don’t see why someone needing to move normal stuff would think “Orca!” ---
**Author:** ![Adm\_Malkaviano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adm_malkaviano/32/496610_2.png) [@Adm\_Malkaviano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adm_Malkaviano)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hauling-with-an-orca/368856/2 "2022-07-02T17:43:47Z")
These people are flying without “Safety”. I’ll show myself out. ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Mediouni\_Sh\_rifi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mohammad_mediouni_sh_rifi/32/301858_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Mediouni\_Sh\_rifi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mohammad_Mediouni_Sh_rifi)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hauling-with-an-orca/368856/3 "2022-07-02T18:22:56Z")
> [@TiberianSun371AlexW](#): > > I notice that some people seem to have hauling fits for Orcas. Why is this? Deep Space Transports are pretty decent with the Cloak Trick. An Orca can move lots of ore or ice around if you’re sure you won’t be suicide ganked. Maybe they want to do both as they haul stuff around. Their destination may 10 jumps away with a few systems where the mining is interesting. They pass by a system with few players, they may warp to a belt real quick for a few before continuing their route… just a wild guess. 😜 The temptation to fit one ship to serve a few purposes could be their motivation. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hauling-with-an-orca/368856/4 "2022-07-02T18:24:27Z")
> [@TiberianSun371AlexW](#): > > I don’t see why anyone would use an Orca to haul anything besides assembled ships and mining stuff. This would be a good reason to haul in an Orca alone. High amount of hitpoints, ability to use MWD+Cloak trick, ability to carry 40k m3 normal stuff, 150k m3 ores and 400k m3 assembled ships makes it a decent hauling ship in certain cases. Sure, a Bowhead can move more assembled ships at once, but cannot cloak. A DST can carry more regular goods and is much cheaper, but what if you want to move ores? And ships? A freighter is much slower. And maybe you want to haul, but you don’t have any other ships trained on your character but mining support ships. Then too the Orca is a good option. Not saying I’ve ever hauled with an Orca, but I do see the appeal. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hauling-with-an-orca/368856/5 "2022-07-02T18:35:06Z")
The orca… EVE’s version of a space RV. Mines. Can Haul things Haul ships even… ---
**Author:** ![Minnaken\_Rotsuda](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minnaken_rotsuda/32/325860_2.png) [@Minnaken\_Rotsuda](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Minnaken_Rotsuda)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hauling-with-an-orca/368856/6 "2022-07-02T18:35:12Z")
orca is ungankable is why. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hauling-with-an-orca/368856/7 "2022-07-02T18:35:43Z")
No ship is ungankable. ---
**Author:** ![Minnaken\_Rotsuda](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minnaken_rotsuda/32/325860_2.png) [@Minnaken\_Rotsuda](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Minnaken_Rotsuda)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hauling-with-an-orca/368856/8 "2022-07-02T18:38:37Z")
orca is. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hauling-with-an-orca/368856/9 "2022-07-02T18:40:25Z")
[Orca | Losses | Ship | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/ship/28606/losses/) [Orca | Caleb Holt | Killmail | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/kill/101820362/) [Orca | Gherdia Meima | Killmail | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/kill/101558250/) So on so forth. ---
**Author:** ![Minnaken\_Rotsuda](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minnaken_rotsuda/32/325860_2.png) [@Minnaken\_Rotsuda](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Minnaken_Rotsuda)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hauling-with-an-orca/368856/10 "2022-07-02T18:44:18Z")
consensual pvp ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hauling-with-an-orca/368856/11 "2022-07-02T18:45:05Z")
So is ganking a real thing in your book? Is what I am seeing? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hauling-with-an-orca/368856/12 "2022-07-02T19:43:29Z")
It’s faster than a freighter and carries more than a DST. That is all the reason you need. Even with expanders it has a good tank and isn’t a popular gank target. And max cargo fit Orcas are more efficient for mining too. ---
**Author:** ![TiberianSun371AlexW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiberiansun371alexw/32/510819_2.png) [@TiberianSun371AlexW](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TiberianSun371AlexW)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hauling-with-an-orca/368856/13 "2022-07-02T20:02:01Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Even with expanders it has a good tank and isn’t a popular gank target. And max cargo fit Orcas are more efficient for mining too. Well fine, but then some people use it for hauling without expanders, which was why I was confused ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/516955_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hauling-with-an-orca/368856/14 "2022-07-02T20:27:36Z")
Last I recall the Orca was a great ship to move 16x Catalysts along with fittings across her Majesty’s high- sec space safely that brings protection from danger or risk of losing a catalysts on a gate to gwunkers. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2022, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hauling-with-an-orca/368856/15 "2022-07-02T20:30:06Z")
> [@TiberianSun371AlexW](#): > > Well fine, but then some people use it for hauling without expanders, which was why I was confused People often make all sorts of strange fitting choices, but that doesn’t make them good choices. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Alice\_Saki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alice_saki/32/486142_2.png) [@Alice\_Saki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alice_Saki)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2022, 5:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hauling-with-an-orca/368856/16 "2022-07-03T05:42:56Z")
I agree > **[Maller | Kaguya Singh | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/85548272/)** > > Kaguya Singh (Humble Salt Farmers) lost their Maller in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by Rukia Shiina (The Scope) flying in a Orca. Total Value: 18,835,493.48 ISK > **[zKillboard.com / Related Kills | Uedama | 2020-07-12 03:00](https://zkillboard.com/related/30002768/202007120300/)** > > A battle took place in Uedama (The Citadel) involving 46 pilots who lost a total of 19,222,260,503.94 isk ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 6:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hauling-with-an-orca/368856/17 "2022-07-07T06:01:47Z")
Just to add one more reason to Gerard’s excellent answer… If you already own an orca for mining, using it for hauling becomes a lot more attractive than crosstraining for a new ship. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hauling-with-an-orca/368856/18 "2022-07-07T10:30:31Z")
Ive been Orca hauling for years, its the best middle ground possible. I would love them to make it even more flexible but I suppose there should be balance somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2022, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hauling-with-an-orca/368856/19 "2022-10-05T10:30:49Z")
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