# Have you seen Salvos, or Teckos? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 13, 2018, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450 "2018-06-13T09:06:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/231 "2018-06-15T08:51:24Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Capitalism where it is working correctly is amazing and produces wealth. Concentrated in the hands of the few on the expense of everyone else. You can look at it in a stoic, unemotional, free of any morals way and just analyze the basic workings of capitalism to see that this is true. The need for any capital to throw up ever increasing profits, if the owner of said capital doesn’t want the capital to actually become mere treasure and lose worth over time, is the foundation of continous need to exploit human labor and more and more natural ressources. Any wealth that is produced, is produced by human labour working with natural ressources and working over the work over the work over the work that others did with these. Capitalism doesn’t produce humanly usable wealth(use value), it produces nothing on its own. Humans work and that’s why we have toothpaste, cars and internet porn. Capitalism was at one time in the past the necessary step to evolve from the stupidity of feudal economy into a global, less moral form of exploitation. Now that this has been sufficiently done, the next step will be to get rid of the insane, exploitative, unreasonable way we humans work under Capitalism and introduce a more effective system in which ressources, human lifetime and work are not wasted, while also creating better conditions for technological and scientific progress. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/232 "2018-06-15T08:54:53Z")
> [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](#): > > A free market is by definition a market free of any and all regulation and government influences. Ok, if you define that as an absolute then yeah, that doesn’t work. Almost all working markets are in some form regulated. I’m just not sure if I made myself so completely unclear with everything else I wrote just because I did not use the same definition? ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/233 "2018-06-15T08:58:09Z")
I saw your marina gallery on yt, looks like a chill place. I think we shouldn’t flag ourselves, because OP clearly intended for this thread to go ways as a hommage to you. Anyhow, good to see you back. Curious what kind of post results in a two week ban, but I suppose there is no way to find out. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/234 "2018-06-15T08:58:19Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Concentrated in the hands of the few on the expense of everyone else. It only needs to be in the right hands and not in the wrong ones in the end. All our laws, rules, regulations, restrictions and limitations serve us to set these hands right and to help them get there where we all can live in peace. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/235 "2018-06-15T09:00:29Z")
Hilarious to watch the derailment, off-topic, semantic arguments and other nonsense I was falsely accused of as “salvoshing” occur here in my absence. Think that proves me innocent of that, and shows quite clearly whom used it as a cover/excuse for their own conduct. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/236 "2018-06-15T09:02:19Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Now that this has been sufficiently done, the next step will be to get rid of the insane, exploitative, unreasonable way we humans work under Capitalism and introduce a more effective system in which ressources, human lifetime and work are not wasted, while also creating better conditions for technological and scientific progress. Don’t hold your breath for that to happen. Capitalism is not a evil system that forces the problems we have. It is a simple concept that if we teade with eachother we mutualy benefit in most situation. That does not mean that it works on its own. As I already said it has to be regulated to work correctly and that is not always the case. The whole problem at the moment is that the right doesn’t get that regulation is needed and that the left dreams about some completely dellusional different system that has shown to not work at all. What we need is to get rid of this dogmas. They are both wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/237 "2018-06-15T09:05:18Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Hilarious to watch the derailment, off-topic, semantic arguments and other nonsense I was falsely accused of as “salvoshing” occur here in my absence. > > Think that proves me innocent of that, and shows quite clearly whom used it as a cover/excuse for their own conduct. I am wondering why the thread is still open. As for innocence, no, I’d say it more a case that the rest of us are just as guilty. ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/238 "2018-06-15T09:06:51Z")
> [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](#): > > I am wondering why the thread is still open. waiting for Teckos maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 9:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/239 "2018-06-15T09:08:25Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > I think we shouldn’t flag ourselves, because OP clearly intended for this thread to go ways as a hommage to you. Well … it did, did it not? : - ) Also … Welcome back, Salvos! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 9:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/240 "2018-06-15T09:08:40Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > It only needs to be in the right hands and not in the wrong ones in the end. All our laws, rules, regulations, restrictions and limitations serve us to set these hands right and to help them get there where we all can live in peace. The right hands would be everyone hands then, which is technically not possible within the current economic system. We’d need to re-negotiate a lot of rules and specifically introduce higher forms of democracy to make sure peace and basic human decency can ever be a realistic goal. You know, so that every kid has a chance, every older person can live their last decades in dignity, everyone who puts in work actually reaps the fruits of their work and doesn’t have to be afraid to lose their house, have no food or can’t afford to buy the products they are creating themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 9:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/241 "2018-06-15T09:08:59Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Hilarious to watch the derailment, off-topic, semantic arguments and other nonsense It is a thread about you, so it self-salvoshd ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/242 "2018-06-15T09:10:26Z")
> [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](#): > > I am wondering why the thread is still open. I’m wondering why it matters. Why does everything that doesn’t fall immediately into a fixed form need to be locked? It could get moved into OoPE and out of GD, but it can qualify as a general discussion, too. But locking it when it’s rather peaceful seems a bit over-ambiguous. ---
**Author:** ![Jenn\_aSide](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jenn_aside/32/384682_2.png) [@Jenn\_aSide](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jenn_aSide)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/243 "2018-06-15T09:11:19Z")
Like looking in a mirror and saying a name 3 times… Anyways, here is what that wonderful “right to dignity” aka oversensitive rich country BS leads to: > **[Netflix film crews 'banned from looking at each other for longer than five...](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/netflix-sexual-harassment-training-rules-me-too-flirting-on-set-a8396431.html)** > > Streaming service says it is 'proud of the anti-harassment training we offer to our productions' I’m a rebel, I’m going to look at people for exactly 5.1 seconds all night at work and see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/244 "2018-06-15T09:11:46Z")
Nono, it does not prove you innocent. It just proves that you are not alone. Make no mistake. You are on top of this ladder and these others are absolutely beneath you … … but it does not magically turn you innocent. : - ) The thread is working as intended, on surprisingly many levels actually. Welcome back! 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/245 "2018-06-15T09:13:43Z")
You … … YOU … … just gave me TONS of fuel to move forward. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_dunning_kruger/32/414724_2.png) [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Dunning_Kruger)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/246 "2018-06-15T09:19:31Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > It only needs to be in the right hands and not in the wrong ones in the end. All our laws, rules, regulations, restrictions and limitations serve us to set these hands right and to help them get there where we all can live in peace. That argument comes up quite often when it’s about government backdoors in encryption. Even if I trust the current government enough not to abuse it, what happens after the next election? Is the new government also not going to abuse it? How long does it go on without anyone abusing the system? Take the centralized lists about jews for example that were created long before world war 2 (I don’t know exactly when, but it was at least 2 decades earlier). Those lists may have served a useful purpose when they were created and after, but come Hitler with the Nazis and those lists turned into death lists. Even if you get the right people into power _now_, you can absolutely not foresee what is going to happen with that in the future. The only sensible option is to never create those positions of power in the first place, because they _will_ be abused. The only variable is _when_. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/247 "2018-06-15T09:24:56Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Capitalism is not a evil system that forces the problems we have. Agreed, evil is really not a good term for it. Capitalism has shown us that we are capable of formerly unthinkable complex work, which is good. At the same time, it continues to show us that we - as the human race - still lack a lot of core strength, which I think is mostly due to the completely underdeveloped clarity that solidarity with each other makes the group and each part of it much stronger. One might simply say that we need to learn to separate between fun competition that makes us grow together, from competition to the death, which is a limiting factor for human life, creativity, progress. > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > The whole problem at the moment is that the right doesn’t get that regulation is needed and that the left dreams about some completely dellusional different system that has shown to not work at all. The craziness of the right is to insist that everything that is wrong now, would be better if done in a more extreme way. The craziness of the left is to assume that slight betterments combined with good ideas are at all a substitute for a complete and honest restructuring of how we organize us as a human race. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/248 "2018-06-15T09:36:19Z")
> [@Jenn\_aSide](#): > > Like looking in a mirror and saying a name 3 times… > > Anyways, here is what that wonderful “right to dignity” aka oversensitive rich country BS leads to: > [Netflix film crews 'banned from looking at each other for longer than five seconds' in #metoo crackdown | The Independent | The Independent](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/netflix-sexual-harassment-training-rules-me-too-flirting-on-set-a8396431.html) > > I’m a rebel, I’m going to look at people for exactly 5.1 seconds all night at work and see what happens. You don’t think this only shows how little of an understanding people have in the US? Seems to me you folks are still going through the extremes until you’ve finally figured it all out. Where I live can people not use the n-word on you without fearing legal consequences. Suit yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/249 "2018-06-15T09:39:46Z")
> [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](#): > > That argument comes up quite often when it’s about government backdoors in encryption. I rather think that the governments are the least of our problems. It’s corporations these days who gather far more information on us than a government alone ever could. Facebook is making a ton of money with selling information and who is connected to whom already. And when you see how the police uses DNA databases created by corporations to track down murders then you have another good example for this. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/250 "2018-06-15T09:40:55Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > I rather think that the governments are the least of our problems. It’s corporations these days who gather far more information on us than a government alone ever could. The government possesses the power to declare that all this data “now” belongs to them. Plus, there is reason to believe that the CIA already has access to this data. Sure, you can call that “conspiracy theory”, but I would call that “usual practise”. It’s the CIA, after all. And as politicians are basically fed by corporations, the distinction isn’t necessarily necessary. Necessarily necessary. 🙄 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450.md?page=13)