# Have you seen Salvos, or Teckos? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 13, 2018, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450 "2018-06-13T09:06:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/271 "2018-06-15T10:16:28Z")
Offtopic here: there was guy from Goonswarm with his “Never not mega” and such. I cannot remember his nickname. Haven’t seen him for a while. Anyone knows if he is ok? ---
**Author:** ![Jenn\_aSide](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jenn_aside/32/384682_2.png) [@Jenn\_aSide](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jenn_aSide)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/272 "2018-06-15T10:16:59Z")
Baltec ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/273 "2018-06-15T10:17:15Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > You can only ensure boundaries by law, because when you don’t and the fall out of an offense leads to other criminal offenses such as assault, then the intial offender goes free while the offended gets sentenced. if you ensure boundaries by law then you’ll need penalization for crossing it too. World will be a mess when some group would penalize acting that they think it offend them. Freedom of speech means, we can talk the problems not penalize without talking. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_dunning_kruger/32/414724_2.png) [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Dunning_Kruger)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/274 "2018-06-15T10:18:27Z")
> [@March\_rabbit](#): > > Offtopic here: there was guy from Goonswarm with his “Never not mega” and such. I cannot remember his nickname. Haven’t seen him for a while. Baltec1 never made the jump to the new new forums. ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/275 "2018-06-15T10:19:43Z")
He is/was. Left goons after WWB. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/276 "2018-06-15T10:19:44Z")
> [@Jenn\_aSide](#): > > Every time you type you prove how ignorant you are. Please, tell me what’s wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Matt\_Spangher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/matt_spangher/32/207271_2.png) [@Matt\_Spangher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Matt_Spangher)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/277 "2018-06-15T10:21:43Z")
As Voltaire said “I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend - " Ah stuff it. If you insult someone to their face trying to provoke a reaction I’ll grab the popcorn when the knuckledusters come out. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/278 "2018-06-15T10:22:58Z")
What I said applied to the whole world, not just to the US. Anyhow, I’m a goner for now. ---
**Author:** ![Jenn\_aSide](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jenn_aside/32/384682_2.png) [@Jenn\_aSide](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jenn_aSide)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/279 "2018-06-15T10:23:29Z")
Sure there are forms of harrsament laws and laws against libel. What you don’t hear is how seldom those laws are used. or successfully prosecuted. And in all cases it takes more than saying a single word. I can’t wrap my mind around the idea that I could come to one’ of you guiys countries, encounter a racist person who merely sees my skin color and BLAM he goes to jail or gets a citation for that. I’m not a lawyer (in that country or any other) but I’d probably speak in that person’s defense in the case of a trial. No I don’t like being insulted but the day I think the government should punish someone for simply being stupid is the same day pig sprout wings. It kind of sheds light on how some people here can be so intensely sensative to typed words in a way that I (a person not just from the U.S., but from _Texas_) find mystifying. We cuss each other out for sport here. But talking plain to people might be illegal where some of you are from depending on who gets their feelings hurt? We have a game in my culture called [“The Dozens”](https://www.britannica.com/topic/the-dozens) that might will get me a life sentence lol. Hell, my best buddy is a white guy who I always call the ‘C’ word ( a derogatory term for white folks). He always responds with “erm, we prefer the term **Saltine Americans** good sir” and we have a good laugh about it. No going to jail involved… ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/280 "2018-06-15T10:24:25Z")
> [@Jeremiah\_Saken](#): > > if you ensure boundaries by law then you’ll need penalization for crossing it too. World will be a mess when some group would penalize acting that they think it offend them. Freedom of speech means, we can talk the problems not penalize without talking. When you cannot talk without offending others then maybe you shouldn’t talk. I have yet to see the one who madly raging and insulting others is the one who was also right. Fact rather seems to be that even when a madman speaks the truth then nobody will listen anyway. Also when you insult the judge or the jury in your court, does it then not have consequences? ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/281 "2018-06-15T10:27:18Z")
> [@Jenn\_aSide](#): > > I’m going to do whatever I want no matter how it affects someone else’s FEELINGS. As long as I’m not physically hurting them, or in some way affecting them materially, they have zero to say about it. Well that could bring you into dispute with existing laws in western countries. Threatening someone, lying for the reason of fraud, attacking someones honor can make you subject to penalties in many states. And even if what you do doesn’t fall under any legislation, if you affect someone negatively on purpose, you somewhat waive any claim to be treated any better. So it will work until you meet someone who doesn’t nag about what you did, but let you feel that there is always someone meaner, harder and more badass in this world. Let’s not get into those extremes though. The interesting case will be to separate where someone makes your behaviour their business without good reason and where it is the other way around. > [@Jenn\_aSide](#): > > It’s as literal a definition of freedom as I can come up with. People do things I would not do and even things that I find to be rude or even disgraceful in front of me in public all the time, all day long. No part of me thinks I should be putting them in jail for it. I agree unless their action reasonably affects others in a bad way. What exactly that means should be discussed on a case by case base and I’m no friend of easily limiting anyones freedom, but one persons freedom should not destroy another ones. > [@Jenn\_aSide](#): > > They seem perplexed that I won’t do anything about it. I always think “wow, what’s it like in their country”. This thread reminds me of those days. I assume you are from the US? If so, I guess the specific situation might lead to weird scenarios like this. Laws are too complicated for people to understand your judicial system is a bit fked if I may say so. It’s more about having money than being right and with everyone being afraid of doing some big mistake, people might prefer to sit on their hands unless it is 100% clear that someone broke the law. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/282 "2018-06-15T10:27:38Z")
Baltec1 He was PL actually ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/283 "2018-06-15T10:31:55Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > He has a talk where he looks and a wide range of different metrics, like wealth, healthy, life expectency, happyness, etc. and the reality is, on a global average, they are all increasing. The problem is thst those processes are slow and don’t make good news and so we end up thinking the world falls apart because everything seems to get worse. Sorry I missed your post. I don’t know him, but what you said there makes sense. I mean if there wasn’t at least a tiny bit of things getting better, people would probably riot all day long. My stand against the current economic system is not that it is completely wrong in all ways (despite there being a little danger of things escalating horribly, but let’s hope they don’t), but that it is creating much less wealth for the average person than possible, much less progress. Capitalism used to be a good step 200 years ago, but now it is time for something more reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/284 "2018-06-15T10:35:08Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > When you cannot talk without offending others then maybe you shouldn’t talk. I have yet to see the one who madly raging and insulting others is the one who was also right. Fact rather seems to be that even when a madman speaks the truth then nobody will listen anyway. bill c 16 in Canada. Gender pronouns for sexual minorities. Where is the freedom of speech in that when you do not agree with that change? If I don’t agree with all “new” sexes because I think there is only 2 why should I be penalized for such thinking? Not to mention there is a language change in the process, with make up pronouns. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/285 "2018-06-15T10:37:33Z")
> [@Jenn\_aSide](#): > > And in all cases it takes more than saying a single word. I can’t wrap my mind around the idea that I could come to one’ of you guiys countries, encounter a racist person who merely sees my skin color and BLAM he goes to jail or gets a citation for that. See, that’s the thing. Here we can do this, but we don’t have to. We have the freedom to choose if we want to press charges or if we want to let it slide. We have a choice and it means freedom to us. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/286 "2018-06-15T10:39:35Z")
> [@Jeremiah\_Saken](#): > > bill c 16 in Canada. I don’t know what this is. Are you saying there are people living in Canada who prefer to be called “it” instead of “he” and “she”? ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/287 "2018-06-15T10:42:22Z")
> [@Jenn\_aSide](#): > > And in all cases it takes more than saying a single word. I can’t wrap my mind around the idea that I could come to one’ of you guiys countries, encounter a racist person who merely sees my skin color and BLAM he goes to jail or gets a citation for that. I’m not a lawyer (in that country or any other) but I’d probably speak in that person’s defense in the case of a trial. No I don’t like being insulted but the day I think the government should punish someone for simply being stupid is the same day pig sprout wings. I agree and in reality the treshold to go to prison is rather high here. As long as it counts as libel, you’ll get away with paying a fine, but if they see that you incite hatred and breach the peace, there is some chance for repeat offenders to go to jail. > [@Jenn\_aSide](#): > > Sure there are forms of harrsament laws and laws against libel. What you don’t hear is how seldom those laws are used. or successfully prosecuted. A more realistic scenario is what happens when you harass someone and they reply with physical violence to you breaching the peace. That’s something many judges in my country would count as a reasonable response of a normal person. It always depends. Say, you call me an idiot and I punch you in the throat: judge will say I did wrong. Say, you continously harass me in worse ways with words and I punch you: judge will say, you deserved it 🙂 > [@Jenn\_aSide](#): > > We cuss each other out for sport here. But talking plain to people might be illegal where some of you are from depending on who gets their feelings hurt? Nah lol, we do it all the time, especially amongst friends. Calling your friends bad words is a show of affection. Your friends though, not strangers. It’s a pretty simple line. Don’t know someone: don’t call them names less you want to face consequences. Know someone: call them names, less you want them to think you don’t like them. ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/288 "2018-06-15T10:46:24Z")
I didn’t know either, but browsing youtube I found an interview with Jordan Peterson, clinical psychologist. It would be more like Ze, Zhe, there is a whole tablet about those pronouns. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/289 "2018-06-15T10:48:00Z")
> [@Jeremiah\_Saken](#): > > bill c 16 in Canada. Gender pronouns for sexual minorities. Where is the freedom of speech in that when you do not agree with that change? If I don’t agree with all “new” sexes because I think there is only 2 why should I be penalized for such thinking? Not to mention there is a language change in the process, with make up pronouns. > **[Government Bill (House of Commons) C-16 (42-1) - Royal Assent - An Act to...](https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/C-16/royal-assent)** > > Government Bill (House of Commons) C-16 (42-1) - Royal Assent - An Act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Criminal Code - Parliament of Canada It says nowhere, that you get penalized for not agreeing with pronouns or for your thoughts at all. In most newer anti-discrimination legislation the lawmakers start from a positive image of how society should be, citing the c16 here: > The purpose of this Act is to extend the laws in Canada to give effect, > within the purview of matters coming within the legislative authority of > Parliament, to the principle that all individuals should have an > opportunity equal with other individuals to make for themselves the > lives that they are able and wish to have and to have their needs > accommodated, consistent with their duties and obligations as members of > society From that they derive that defining yourself is one of your freedoms and while other people do not have to agree with you, they shall not be allowed to harass, discriminate or derive you of your rights. Pretty simple actually. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/290 "2018-06-15T10:51:55Z")
> [@Jeremiah\_Saken](#): > > It would be more like Ze, Zhe, there is a whole tablet about those pronouns. Sounds as if one has to learn Klingon before going to Canada. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450.md?page=15)