# Have you seen Salvos, or Teckos? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 13, 2018, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450 "2018-06-13T09:06:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/311 "2018-06-15T11:15:20Z")
I miss Tipia Riot. Such a good poster. Rhetoric on 100%. ---
**Author:** ![Rosov\_Aulmais](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rosov_aulmais/32/168511_2.png) [@Rosov\_Aulmais](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rosov_Aulmais)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/312 "2018-06-15T11:15:26Z")
It was still better than tieba in my humble opinion… ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/313 "2018-06-15T11:16:45Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > That was a joke, not a very good one, perhaps you can use hate speach against me for it, this is also a joke! I’m glad you said it as a joke, and I suspected it was. Some MAWM aren’t joking. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/314 "2018-06-15T11:18:40Z")
and HE’s BACK! What we would do without that paranoid Finn? Imagine everybody would post constructively…madness (not the band, although band is good). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_dunning_kruger/32/414724_2.png) [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Dunning_Kruger)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/315 "2018-06-15T11:19:31Z")
> [@Jeremiah\_Saken](#): > > Imagine everybody would post constructively…madness Actually: Intellectual discussions of value. Like here: [Hacker News](https://news.ycombinator.com/news) ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/316 "2018-06-15T11:21:57Z")
> [@Jeremiah\_Saken](#): > > Who with common sense do that anyway? People do not born evil they become one, and that kind of law will make more evil ones. You can’t change human approach to minorities by making stupid laws. Forcing respect? Did that ever go well? I don’t know who is doing that. Also I doubt that law will make people more evil, unless they look for excuses to ride the hate train against people who want to be different. Personally I don’t give a wet fart about anyones gender. It doesn’t interest me at all how people define themselves, I really don’t care. However, I think that they should be able to freely do that just like other people should be able to read what they want, cut their hair how they want and eat for breakfast what they want, without a group of haters assembling and picking on them. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I don’t recall ever calling for genocide of anyone, please point out where I have and come back to me. Huh did I say you did? All I was asking for you to do is to use the google search, find the law, read the text and then state your opinion. You presented it as if this law was limiting your freedom of speech, and thus I asked you if you think that your freedom of speech includes inciting genocide. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > The issue is that if you use the wrong word and I think there are now about 40 such words for gender you can be criminally prosecuted for hate speech for that. So I have no idea where you connect genocide to that. Okay I don’t know that. Is it for Canada or the US? Can you link some source please, I’d like to read up on that. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > In the UK at this point you can be persecuted for hate speech if the police feel that it is hate speech even if the people who were affected by it did not think it was. Okay. Well, that makes sense. There are crimes that the police has to investigate and crimes that need action by the victim to be investigated. Any crime where the victim may be afraid of reprisal is (in most western countries) automatically a crime that police needs to investigate/prosecute no matter what the victim says. Certain form of hate speech could potentially fall under that logic I guess. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I am a white middle aged male, perhaps I ought to go kill myself now for the benefit of all others…, would that make you happy, but I was trying to explain to you how the law works because you appear to have no idea. Why? Come on, that really makes no sense. Let’s be clear here: We live in times where EVERYONE tries to show themselves as the biggest victim, as you do here @Dracvlad . It makes no sense. You have shitty people everywhere, every color of skin, every gender or sex, every language, every brand of shoes. But also you have lots of pretty reasonable people. As a white middle aged male…well I could write a lot about the problems you (most of us I assume?) might have. It’s complicated, but I don’t like the two extreme choices some of our peers seem to make: declaring themselves victims or declaring themselves guilty. Both is stupid. In general I think a positive attitude towards others and keeping curious about the world while also maintaining a basic set of morals (coordinates: mutual respect, same rules for everyone, strong helping the weak) is a good way for any middle aged white male to go. It’s sexy and cool. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/317 "2018-06-15T11:23:44Z")
> [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](#): > > Some MAWM aren’t joking. ☹ What is MAWM? ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/318 "2018-06-15T11:28:33Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > No seriously, where to you get that from. This is complete rubbish. We are clearly not talking about the same thing. At this point I think we are probably not even living on the same planet. Karl Marx and other people who lived at the time and did actual research in the real world. Wikipedia has short and somewhat boring versions of it as well. > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > When I say capitalism then I mean a system of private property and voluntary exchange as it naturally occurs in every society. Exchange is normal, but “private property” is not. Note that “private property” is related to means of production (e.g. the materialized work of others which allows for creating more goods) and if means of production are privatized it happens in a manner of theft/robbery or exploiting other peoples work. > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > You are fighting windmills I’m not even fighting, just learning about the historical process that lead us to where we are now and which helps to understand that any economical system only works temporarily until it is replaced by something more useful. ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/319 "2018-06-15T11:36:43Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > I don’t know who is doing that. Also I doubt that law will make people more evil, unless they look for excuses to ride the hate train against people who want to be different. Personally I don’t give a wet fart about anyones gender. It doesn’t interest me at all how people define themselves, I really don’t care. However, I think that they should be able to freely do that just like other people should be able to read what they want, cut their hair how they want and eat for breakfast what they want, without a group of haters assembling and picking on them. I do. I’m an anthropologist by education, there is no such thing as more than 2 genders. Just because someone feels insecure or offended don’t mean whole society should bend into their believes. I don’t care what they eat, read etc. I don’t agree with haters assembling and picking on them as you wrote, but you can’t regulate those things by law. It is arguable to even start with. ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/320 "2018-06-15T11:37:44Z")
Middle aged white man. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/321 "2018-06-15T11:39:16Z")
Ahh, the group with the highest suicide, homelessness, incarceration rate and whom “everyone” claims is privileged. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/322 "2018-06-15T11:40:29Z")
> [@zluq\_zabaa](#): > > Karl Marx Yeah no surprise then. The peoblem is that this absolutely not agrees with the reality we live in. I’m really puzzled how people still fall for Marxes ideas when there is so much empirical evidence of it not only not working but ending in a complete desaster with millions of dead people. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/323 "2018-06-15T11:41:17Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Yeah no surprise then How do you define capitalism, in your own words. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/324 "2018-06-15T11:46:00Z")
There are various definitions, but in its simplest form I would say “voluntary exchange of goods for mutual benefits”. A simple form could be two tribes exchanging goods and becoming specialized at certain things and in the process both tribes benefit from the exchange. @Solstice_Projekt good job btw. This is all so offtopic and against the rules, once falcon finds the thread we will all get banned and salvos will be the only one left on the forums alone. What a plan! ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/325 "2018-06-15T11:50:28Z")
You described a trade/exchange. Thats is not “capitalism”. Trading/exchanging happens in all systems. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/326 "2018-06-15T11:51:10Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > I’m really puzzled how people still fall for Marxes ideas when there is so much empirical evidence of it not only not working but ending in a complete desaster with millions of dead people. Mostly it is the other way around. People start reading Marx to try and understand how their moral ideas fit the brutal reality of a system they don’t fully understand. Marx delivered a very scientific analysis of the basic principles of capitalism, but also high end research about highly specific economic developments all over Europe and the US. Being puzzled about people taking it as a source is like being surprised that people still relate to Darwin, Einstein or Leibnitz. None of them was always right and of course their works are base for further improvements just as possible wrong directions, but it doesn’t make their original work wrong, as long as what they analyized still exists. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/327 "2018-06-15T11:51:48Z")
Not really. In a comunistic system you have no trade but dictated distribution and that is exactly the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/328 "2018-06-15T11:53:47Z")
communism is, in theory, the most equalitarian system Except irl it goofed ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/329 "2018-06-15T11:54:38Z")
That is false. Even in USSR/China, one gets paid for exchanging effort/time/expertise for currency/resource which you then trade/exchange with someone/thing for what you want to acquire. > [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > equalitarian Equalitarian is not a term. Perhaps you mean egalitarian? PS: All of the West is egalitarian. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/330 "2018-06-15T11:56:28Z")
Yeah, but they are no longer comunistic systems, they are capitalistic to their core. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450.md?page=17)